Coronavirus - COVID-19

[oilpiers]

I think he was saying he doesn’t want to be pushed.(not speaking for Rod).

This is getting kind of weird. I really, really don't want to go all pedantic on y'all, but I truly don't understand. I get that some might say my response was excessive; if forced to say, I'd probably agree. But I quoted Rod's statement in my response and what he actually said was "I don't want the government pushing anything, or anyone." That seems a lot different to me than saying "I don't like being pushed" which is a statement I agree w/ wholeheartedly. To me the actual quote says "I don't want the government to have any power." If I am misinterpreting that I apologize but I really (not rhetorical) would appreciate an explanation of how that means "I don't like being pushed." Not arguing now, just curious and wanting to understand.

As for the parts about seeing each case or region differently, I agree w/ that 100% and have said exactly that with respect to COVID responses, gun control/2A issues and more. In particular, I have enthusiastically said multiple times that with respect to COVID responses San Miguel county should not be treated like Manhattan. And vice versa. For a different kind of example, I automatically assumed that even taking Rod's statement as broadly as I did, he did not intend to include national defense and border control/defense because (a) Rod and I have had similar conversations before so I know that was implied in his statement and I'm not interested in playing "gotcha;" and (b) the position I thought Rod was espousing almost always includes those exceptions no matter who is advocating for it. Summarized more generally I am all for subtlety, nuance and tailored solutions.

I think your earlier post is something that should be copyrighted and used for the ever-present boogieman references to democratic socialism.

[LBRod]

To me the actual quote says "I don't want the government to have any power." If I am misinterpreting that I apologize

Apology accepted, though not needed. I did not say I don't want the gov to have any power.
I will say that I firmly believe they have way too much power, the inevitable result of being way too big.

Please don't ask me to defend what you think I mean.

[Flea]

I don't want the government pushing anything, or anyone.

Leaded gasoline would make a huge comeback along w/ lead paint, which I guess is a good thing because babies do find those paint chips to be delicious

Woo Hoo! Preach on, Reverend! "Kill another fetus now, we don't like babies anyhow": L. Cohen, 1992

[Mr. B]

I don't want the government pushing anything, or anyone.

So instead of experiencing a miraculous renaissance, it could still be nighttime dark at noon in Pittsburgh and people would be still be dying at 50 in large numbers?

So instead of traffic lights and stop signs we'd have... what, exactly? And if some private entrepreneurs built their own traffic controlled streets, how would they enforce compliance? But think of all the money we'd save not having to pay to ride bumper cars at the fair yet still having all the excitement every day.

No seatbelts, no crashworthiness standards at all. But no worries because just like airplane manufacturers, car manufacturers would have incentives to make safe products except even with those incentives AND significant regulation, Boeing fucks up royally once every few years and we know how safe and reliable cars were before Ralph Nader wrote that book, right?

Leaded gasoline would make a huge comeback along w/ lead paint, which I guess is a good thing because babies do find those paint chips to be delicious

No police and no criminal law so everyone would be responsible for enforcing their own sense of justice using their own level of proof to decide who to shoot. Rich people would no doubt pay for their own police forces, which unconstrained by either law or policy could shoot whoever they wanted whenever they wanted. I feel safer already.

No way to enforce civil judgments even if private courts purported to decide cases, so more private enforcement leading to a situation somewhere between complete lack of enforceability and total chaos

Housing left solely to market forces so every city and town would have its own tent city if they're lucky and cardboard shacks if they weren't, just like Soweto and the favellas in Rio. And no zoning of course so good luck stopping that coal mine on the property next door and say goodbye to sunny summer barbecues in your backyard because your neighbor decided your neighborhood was an excellent spot to build a 30 or 50 story building.

Public transportation left to the private market which means there would be no public transportation which means large swaths of the population would be trapped where they live with no way to get to jobs even if they wanted to so even favellas would be a step up from the kinds of ghettoes that would ensue

Anybody and everybody could call themselves a doctor or a lawyer or a native american chief. Of course the better practitioners would form private associations to certify standards and we all know how tough professionals are on themselves. And I wonder what would stop anyone from hanging a shingle with their own seal of approval which looks just like the one the AMA or ABA issue?

Without patent and copyright protection, who would risk investment in innovation? The pace of innovation would slow to that of the 1600's, and we'd still be picking cotton by hand and shitting in outhouses. Or the streets.

We can all experience the joys of living in terror of polio and smallpox and the excitement of playing thalidomide roulette every time we swallow a pill or give one to our children

Presumably people would pay privately for fire insurance but if one's neighbor chooses to gamble, your house goes up along with theirs

Education would be left to private industry meaning, what?, 20, 30 or 50 percent of the population illiterate? And who knows what the other 50% would be taught? I guess we should all be relieved to know that crazy stuff like evolution would no longer be taught in large swaths of the country.

Instead of the occasional Great Recession we could have recurring depressions caused by market manipulations just like the 1870's, At least they would be predictable.

But wait. We wouldn't even have currency so who knows what the economy would look like. Some form of barter economy I guess so we can all party like its 1499.

We wouldn't have a clue about what's in our food, except we can be virtually certain it would include mouse droppings, pieces of rat, human snot and a bunch of other delicacies. Or of course we could all grow and make our own food so we could have an economy just like the Middle Ages

It would be fun to walk on Lake Erie, though.

I think he was saying he doesn’t want to be pushed.(not speaking for Rod). But that’s what he said. I wouldn’t take that to mean we don’t need leadership and organization.
And like anything shouldn’t we see each case differently? Or at least each region differently?
How can something like a corona vaccine be touted as a miracle in a place like San Miguel county which is still sitting on zero deaths.
So I guess we are doing perfectly. And why is that? Can’t credit the vaxx. Yet we are supposed to get jabbed to improve on perfect?
Who exactly would we be protecting?
What’s the science behind vaccinating for something that has killed zero people?
And no way in hell this community can claim that the zero death number is a testament to everyone locking down and not socializing and spreading it around. That’s not what happened.

Yet somehow it’s a miracle. Or that if I don’t get it I will pay a price. Imagine the orange clown saying that. Seems pretty pushy to me. And what would the price be to jamming a needle into something that ain’t broke? Don’t know. Not gonna find out.

Dude, its great that your county has zero deaths. And I'm not smart enough to know why your county has done so well compared to the norm. I suspect it has something to do with living in a sparsely populated region and your earlier points about healthy lifestyle, eating habits., etc. But you live in a county with 8,000 people, so that is not a particularly large sample; there are literally ten times as many people in my zip code alone. And COVID has been pretty real here. One of my daughter's 9th grade classmates lost both of her parents to COVID last month. Unfortunately, we can't go back in time and encourage/convince people to live healthier lifestyles so that this illness would not have had the impact that it has had in many, many communities. Pretty sure the point of the vaccine is to try to prevent the illness as much as possible going forward and getting us back to "normal". So let's deal with the cards we have been dealt and get people to get the freaking vaccine.

Your neighboring county Montrose, which i assume has similar characteristics to your county, had had 58 deaths (population of 40,000). Next to that is Mesa county, with 222 deaths among 150,000. What are they doing differently from your county?

[John A Arkansawyer]

Dude, its great that your county has zero deaths. And I'm not smart enough to know why your county has done so well compared to the norm.

I might have a guess from what you go on to say:

I suspect it has something to do with living in a sparsely populated region and your earlier points about healthy lifestyle, eating habits., etc. But you live in a county with 8,000 people, so that is not a particularly large sample...

Your neighboring county Montrose, which i assume has similar characteristics to your county, had had 58 deaths (population of 40,000). Next to that is Mesa county, with 222 deaths among 150,000. What are they doing differently from your county?

Possibly those are the counties where the hospitals are, and where the deaths are counted. Remember the trick that scumbag Andrew Cuomo pulled of counting nursing home deaths against the hospitals where the deaths were declared? It was a good trick, till he got caught.

[jr29]

Last summer I was getting my teeth cleaned and the lady who cleans them was complaining about mask mandates and all of the restrictions. Multiple times she emphasized "there have only been two deaths in Madison County." I have been going to this dentist for over a decade and I like everyone there so to avoid an uncomfortable situation I just pointed out some other counties in the region that are similar in every way to Madison County Tennessee, but had already seen dozens of deaths. I said I hope this doesn't turn into one of them.
Fast forward six or seven months to my next visit, the same lady tells me everyone she knows who has died from covid has been in their 50's and even 40's. I didn't ask who the people were or what her relationship to them was, but 241 people have died from covid in Madison County.

[Clams]

Last summer I was getting my teeth cleaned and the lady who cleans them was complaining about mask mandates and all of the restrictions. Multiple times she emphasized "there have only been two deaths in Madison County." I have been going to this dentist for over a decade and I like everyone there so to avoid an uncomfortable situation I just pointed out some other counties in the region that are similar in every way to Madison County Tennessee, but had already seen dozens of deaths. I said I hope this doesn't turn into one of them.
Fast forward six or seven months to my next visit, the same lady tells me everyone she knows who has died from covid has been in their 50's and even 40's. I didn't ask who the people were or what her relationship to them was, but 241 people have died from covid in Madison County.

Probably not a good idea to argue covid restrictions (or anything!) with people who are actively poking your teeth and gums with sharp instruments, lol.

[tinnitus photography]

If only the people of India had more contact with shit and a more vegetarian diet this could have all been avoided.

[chuckrh]

If only the people of India had more contact with shit and a more vegetarian diet this could have all been avoided.

[boyyourself]

If only the people of India had more contact with shit and a more vegetarian diet this could have all been avoided.

Still incapable of adding an original thought to an otherwise nice discussion? No surprise.
You could’ve just said Trump sucks since That’s all ya really got but at least you got me to keep your boring ass entertained.
I could see how I’d be the most entertaining part of your life seeing as how your never leave your moms basement. I wouldn’t start if I were you. There’s a new contagious strain coming our way.
For you? Just keep looking down on those who don’t share your programming. That’s what the well Informed to make their media brainwashed asses feel more intelligenter.

But hey zip thinks you’re funny so you’ve been self affirmed.

[boyyourself]

If only the people of India had more contact with shit and a more vegetarian diet this could have all been avoided.

Still incapable of adding an original thought to an otherwise nice discussion? No surprise.
You could’ve just said Trump sucks since That’s all ya really got but at least you got me to keep your boring ass entertained.
I could see how I’d be the most entertaining part of your life seeing as how your never leave your moms basement. I wouldn’t start if I were you. There’s a new contagious strain coming our way.
For you? Just keep looking down on those who don’t share your programming. That’s what the well Informed to make their media brainwashed asses feel more intelligenter.

But hey zip thinks you’re funny so you’ve been self affirmed.

Oh my bad it was chuck. Which based on the cookie cutter across the board opinions from those two I think they are one of the others burner accounts. Which wish and wash like reverend fauci science. Trendy science. Trendy stances. Just in case we are right you better agree and if you don’t we get confused because we never really knew where we stood in the first place and it’s more about the narrative than the truth.
Narratives get bought and sold. The truth stands the rest of time.....

Oh what’s fauci saying now about the origin of the virus??? Ah no worries. Whatevs. Funny how the retractions are never as vigorous as the intitial accusations which got everyone believing in the good word of the mighty reverend fauci while proudly asking how anyone could buy into Trump. Seems like y’all need each other or something. It’s such a cute co dependency.

[pearlbeer]

If only the people of India had more contact with shit and a more vegetarian diet this could have all been avoided.

Still incapable of adding an original thought to an otherwise nice discussion? No surprise.
You could’ve just said Trump sucks since That’s all ya really got but at least you got me to keep your boring ass entertained.
I could see how I’d be the most entertaining part of your life seeing as how your never leave your moms basement. I wouldn’t start if I were you. There’s a new contagious strain coming our way.
For you? Just keep looking down on those who don’t share your programming. That’s what the well Informed to make their media brainwashed asses feel more intelligenter.

But hey zip thinks you’re funny so you’ve been self affirmed.

Oh my bad it was chuck. Which based on the cookie cutter across the board opinions from those two I think they are one of the others burner accounts. Which wish and wash like reverend fauci science. Trendy science. Trendy stances. Just in case we are right you better agree and if you don’t we get confused because we never really knew where we stood in the first place and it’s more about the narrative than the truth.
Narratives get bought and sold. The truth stands the rest of time.....

Oh what’s fauci saying now about the origin of the virus??? Ah no worries. Whatevs. Funny how the retractions are never as vigorous as the intitial accusations which got everyone believing in the good word of the mighty reverend fauci while proudly asking how anyone could buy into Trump. Seems like y’all need each other or something. It’s such a cute co dependency.

Ooooh! Multiple, threaded conspiracy theories!

[jr29]

Last summer I was getting my teeth cleaned and the lady who cleans them was complaining about mask mandates and all of the restrictions. Multiple times she emphasized "there have only been two deaths in Madison County." I have been going to this dentist for over a decade and I like everyone there so to avoid an uncomfortable situation I just pointed out some other counties in the region that are similar in every way to Madison County Tennessee, but had already seen dozens of deaths. I said I hope this doesn't turn into one of them.
Fast forward six or seven months to my next visit, the same lady tells me everyone she knows who has died from covid has been in their 50's and even 40's. I didn't ask who the people were or what her relationship to them was, but 241 people have died from covid in Madison County.

Probably not a good idea to argue covid restrictions (or anything!) with people who are actively poking your teeth and gums with sharp instruments, lol.

In this case discretion was the better part of valor.

[boyyourself]

Dude, its great that your county has zero deaths. And I'm not smart enough to know why your county has done so well compared to the norm.

I might have a guess from what you go on to say:

I suspect it has something to do with living in a sparsely populated region and your earlier points about healthy lifestyle, eating habits., etc. But you live in a county with 8,000 people, so that is not a particularly large sample...

Your neighboring county Montrose, which i assume has similar characteristics to your county, had had 58 deaths (population of 40,000). Next to that is Mesa county, with 222 deaths among 150,000. What are they doing differently from your county?

Possibly those are the counties where the hospitals are, and where the deaths are counted. Remember the trick that scumbag Andrew Cuomo pulled of counting nursing home deaths against the hospitals where the deaths were declared? It was a good trick, till he got caught.

So you’re saying it’s not as simple as just throwing death toll numbers in which no one really knows what they are based on or what the reporting standards are, in order to strike fear in people to get them to all act a certain way or else?
Jeez how could not just telling the truth and dealing with the consequences of that no matter what ever have drastic long term effects that could’ve otherwise been avoided?
Because it’s easier to put lipstick on a pig and call it a princess and carry on than it is to admit it’s a pig and that it smells and looks like a pig and smells like shit?
Well what they don’t know is that pigs are actually clean animals. And when you take them out of confinement and put them out on the land and manage in a way that mimics nature, parasites are under control, they do not require antibiotics and are disease free.
See the trend?
Or do just think we should lock the pigs errrrr people up inside and stacked on top of each other and deliver them grain everyday and not encourage exercise and sun and dirt?
How’s that working out?
Oh shit and drugs. There are lots of drugs required in the confinement scenario. There has to be. And it’s not the good kind neither.

[Mundane Mayhem]

If only the people of India had more contact with shit and a more vegetarian diet this could have all been avoided.

Still incapable of adding an original thought to an otherwise nice discussion? No surprise.
You could’ve just said Trump sucks since That’s all ya really got but at least you got me to keep your boring ass entertained.
I could see how I’d be the most entertaining part of your life seeing as how your never leave your moms basement. I wouldn’t start if I were you. There’s a new contagious strain coming our way.
For you? Just keep looking down on those who don’t share your programming. That’s what the well Informed to make their media brainwashed asses feel more intelligenter.

But hey zip thinks you’re funny so you’ve been self affirmed.

Oh my bad it was chuck. Which based on the cookie cutter across the board opinions from those two I think they are one of the others burner accounts. Which wish and wash like reverend fauci science. Trendy science. Trendy stances. Just in case we are right you better agree and if you don’t we get confused because we never really knew where we stood in the first place and it’s more about the narrative than the truth.
Narratives get bought and sold. The truth stands the rest of time.....

Oh what’s fauci saying now about the origin of the virus??? Ah no worries. Whatevs. Funny how the retractions are never as vigorous as the intitial accusations which got everyone believing in the good word of the mighty reverend fauci while proudly asking how anyone could buy into Trump. Seems like y’all need each other or something. It’s such a cute co dependency.

In the spirit of genuine inquiry:

1) Do you believe the vaccines are causally linked to the rapid decline of COVID cases, hospitalizations, and deaths that began in the first quarter of 2021?

2) What would it take to convince you the vaccines are safe and effective? You don't trust me (a non-expert you've never met, so that's a good thing), you don't trust Fauci, you don't trust the CDC, you don't trust Joe Biden. Do you have a primary care physician? Would you trust that person if they suggested getting vaccinated? At what point is someone disinterested and neutral enough to win you over?

At this point, something like 60% of the adult population of this country has had at least one dose of vaccine, beginning in December (even earlier for clinical trial participants). So we now have more than six months of data on some people and I'm aware of nothing of note (in aggregate) to contraindicate vaccination.

[Mundane Mayhem]

Sorry, a few more.

3) What, specifically, is your hesitation with these particular vaccines? The accelerated timeline on which they were developed and trialed? The relatively novel technology used in the mRNA vaccines? How about J&J? The lack of data on long-term effects? If so, at what time horizon does that hesitation fade away?

4) Without asking you to divulge personal medical information, given your age and the country you live in, you were very probably vaccinated as a child against a large number of pathogens. Assuming this is the case, would you make different choices for your infant/toddler self, given the opportunity? If yes, which vaccines would you still receive, and which would you forgo? Why?

[tinnitus photography]

If only the people of India had more contact with shit and a more vegetarian diet this could have all been avoided.

Still incapable of adding an original thought to an otherwise nice discussion? No surprise.
You could’ve just said Trump sucks since That’s all ya really got but at least you got me to keep your boring ass entertained.
I could see how I’d be the most entertaining part of your life seeing as how your never leave your moms basement. I wouldn’t start if I were you. There’s a new contagious strain coming our way.
For you? Just keep looking down on those who don’t share your programming. That’s what the well Informed to make their media brainwashed asses feel more intelligenter.

But hey zip thinks you’re funny so you’ve been self affirmed.

how long have you enjoyed coprophagia?

[John A Arkansawyer]

Dude, its great that your county has zero deaths. And I'm not smart enough to know why your county has done so well compared to the norm.

I might have a guess from what you go on to say:

I suspect it has something to do with living in a sparsely populated region and your earlier points about healthy lifestyle, eating habits., etc. But you live in a county with 8,000 people, so that is not a particularly large sample...

Your neighboring county Montrose, which i assume has similar characteristics to your county, had had 58 deaths (population of 40,000). Next to that is Mesa county, with 222 deaths among 150,000. What are they doing differently from your county?

Possibly those are the counties where the hospitals are, and where the deaths are counted. Remember the trick that scumbag Andrew Cuomo pulled of counting nursing home deaths against the hospitals where the deaths were declared? It was a good trick, till he got caught.

So you’re saying

that you just might be wrong about your county's death toll and how you might've been misled, by yourself or others.

[Flea]

I've stayed out of this pissing contest for numerous reasons, but I think Mayhem's questions are legit and deserve answers.

[boyyourself]

If only the people of India had more contact with shit and a more vegetarian diet this could have all been avoided.

Still incapable of adding an original thought to an otherwise nice discussion? No surprise.
You could’ve just said Trump sucks since That’s all ya really got but at least you got me to keep your boring ass entertained.
I could see how I’d be the most entertaining part of your life seeing as how your never leave your moms basement. I wouldn’t start if I were you. There’s a new contagious strain coming our way.
For you? Just keep looking down on those who don’t share your programming. That’s what the well Informed to make their media brainwashed asses feel more intelligenter.

But hey zip thinks you’re funny so you’ve been self affirmed.

how long have you enjoyed coprophagia?

I’m not informed enough to know what that means. Still nothing to add? Shocker

[cortez the killer]

Still incapable of adding an original thought to an otherwise nice discussion? No surprise.
You could’ve just said Trump sucks since That’s all ya really got but at least you got me to keep your boring ass entertained.
I could see how I’d be the most entertaining part of your life seeing as how your never leave your moms basement. I wouldn’t start if I were you. There’s a new contagious strain coming our way.
For you? Just keep looking down on those who don’t share your programming. That’s what the well Informed to make their media brainwashed asses feel more intelligenter.

But hey zip thinks you’re funny so you’ve been self affirmed.

how long have you enjoyed coprophagia?

I’m not informed enough to know what that means. Still nothing to add? Shocker

[boyyourself]

how long have you enjoyed coprophagia?

I’m not informed enough to know what that means. Still nothing to add? Shocker

Now we’re talking. See, a fly on shit is nothing to me scared of. Dip your hands right in.

[boyyourself]

Still incapable of adding an original thought to an otherwise nice discussion? No surprise.
You could’ve just said Trump sucks since That’s all ya really got but at least you got me to keep your boring ass entertained.
I could see how I’d be the most entertaining part of your life seeing as how your never leave your moms basement. I wouldn’t start if I were you. There’s a new contagious strain coming our way.
For you? Just keep looking down on those who don’t share your programming. That’s what the well Informed to make their media brainwashed asses feel more intelligenter.

But hey zip thinks you’re funny so you’ve been self affirmed.

Oh my bad it was chuck. Which based on the cookie cutter across the board opinions from those two I think they are one of the others burner accounts. Which wish and wash like reverend fauci science. Trendy science. Trendy stances. Just in case we are right you better agree and if you don’t we get confused because we never really knew where we stood in the first place and it’s more about the narrative than the truth.
Narratives get bought and sold. The truth stands the rest of time.....

Oh what’s fauci saying now about the origin of the virus??? Ah no worries. Whatevs. Funny how the retractions are never as vigorous as the intitial accusations which got everyone believing in the good word of the mighty reverend fauci while proudly asking how anyone could buy into Trump. Seems like y’all need each other or something. It’s such a cute co dependency.

In the spirit of genuine inquiry:

1) Do you believe the vaccines are causally linked to the rapid decline of COVID cases, hospitalizations, and deaths that began in the first quarter of 2021?

2) What would it take to convince you the vaccines are safe and effective? You don't trust me (a non-expert you've never met, so that's a good thing), you don't trust Fauci, you don't trust the CDC, you don't trust Joe Biden. Do you have a primary care physician? Would you trust that person if they suggested getting vaccinated? At what point is someone disinterested and neutral enough to win you over?

At this point, something like 60% of the adult population of this country has had at least one dose of vaccine, beginning in December (even earlier for clinical trial participants). So we now have more than six months of data on some people and I'm aware of nothing of note (in aggregate) to contraindicate vaccination.

I don’t remember saying I didn’t think the vaccine is safe or effective.
And I’m not trying to be won over so I don’t understand your question about someone being disinterested or neutral.



One way or another we are going to reach heard immunity right? Then what? Then are we good?

[Zip City]

One way (vaccinations) will get us there quickly and efficiently

The other (let nature take its course) will get us there slowly and painfully

You are opting for the latter to the confusion of many of us

[Mundane Mayhem]

Oh my bad it was chuck. Which based on the cookie cutter across the board opinions from those two I think they are one of the others burner accounts. Which wish and wash like reverend fauci science. Trendy science. Trendy stances. Just in case we are right you better agree and if you don’t we get confused because we never really knew where we stood in the first place and it’s more about the narrative than the truth.
Narratives get bought and sold. The truth stands the rest of time.....

Oh what’s fauci saying now about the origin of the virus??? Ah no worries. Whatevs. Funny how the retractions are never as vigorous as the intitial accusations which got everyone believing in the good word of the mighty reverend fauci while proudly asking how anyone could buy into Trump. Seems like y’all need each other or something. It’s such a cute co dependency.

In the spirit of genuine inquiry:

1) Do you believe the vaccines are causally linked to the rapid decline of COVID cases, hospitalizations, and deaths that began in the first quarter of 2021?

2) What would it take to convince you the vaccines are safe and effective? You don't trust me (a non-expert you've never met, so that's a good thing), you don't trust Fauci, you don't trust the CDC, you don't trust Joe Biden. Do you have a primary care physician? Would you trust that person if they suggested getting vaccinated? At what point is someone disinterested and neutral enough to win you over?

At this point, something like 60% of the adult population of this country has had at least one dose of vaccine, beginning in December (even earlier for clinical trial participants). So we now have more than six months of data on some people and I'm aware of nothing of note (in aggregate) to contraindicate vaccination.

I don’t remember saying I didn’t think the vaccine is safe or effective.
And I’m not trying to be won over so I don’t understand your question about someone being disinterested or neutral.



One way or another we are going to reach heard immunity right? Then what? Then are we good?

If you don’t dispute that it’s safe and effective, then why not take it? Just so you can say you didn’t do what the government “told” you to?

And no, we are not going to reach herd immunity one way or the other. It’s a question as to whether we get there at all, due in large part to, and I mean no offense, people like you.

[boyyourself]

Sorry, a few more.

3) What, specifically, is your hesitation with these particular vaccines? The accelerated timeline on which they were developed and trialed? The relatively novel technology used in the mRNA vaccines? How about J&J? The lack of data on long-term effects? If so, at what time horizon does that hesitation fade away?

4) Without asking you to divulge personal medical information, given your age and the country you live in, you were very probably vaccinated as a child against a large number of pathogens. Assuming this is the case, would you make different choices for your infant/toddler self, given the opportunity? If yes, which vaccines would you still receive, and which would you forgo? Why?

I’m not nearly educated on vaccines to answer.
If I was having a kid today I’d look into it.

Is it about saving lives? That’s my question.
And if it was, where’s the driving narrative on how to not be high risk? Nowhere. Because it’s not about saving lives.
Hell all the preventions and remedies to Covid all somehow fly in the face of prevailing narratives.
Vitamin D is crucial yet we aren’t encouraged to go outside.
Zinc is crucial yet where’s the info on how to get it naturally through grass fed beef or bison?
Nowhere. It’s all about plant based propaganda.
HCQ was used all over the world to minimize Covid symptoms yet the big bad clown touted it so it got cancelled. Because science and saving lives and whatnot.
I think it’s a dangerous way to go about things if we are truly concerned about the long term
Wellness of our population. Which politicians and pharma are not. Is that news?
So I just don’t think it’s that crazy of a notion to think that the best thing you can do is take charge of your own health. It’s just an opinion.
It doesn’t mean I’m anti vaxx.

[boyyourself]

In the spirit of genuine inquiry:

1) Do you believe the vaccines are causally linked to the rapid decline of COVID cases, hospitalizations, and deaths that began in the first quarter of 2021?

2) What would it take to convince you the vaccines are safe and effective? You don't trust me (a non-expert you've never met, so that's a good thing), you don't trust Fauci, you don't trust the CDC, you don't trust Joe Biden. Do you have a primary care physician? Would you trust that person if they suggested getting vaccinated? At what point is someone disinterested and neutral enough to win you over?

At this point, something like 60% of the adult population of this country has had at least one dose of vaccine, beginning in December (even earlier for clinical trial participants). So we now have more than six months of data on some people and I'm aware of nothing of note (in aggregate) to contraindicate vaccination.

I don’t remember saying I didn’t think the vaccine is safe or effective.
And I’m not trying to be won over so I don’t understand your question about someone being disinterested or neutral.



One way or another we are going to reach heard immunity right? Then what? Then are we good?

If you don’t dispute that it’s safe and effective, then why not take it? Just so you can say you didn’t do what the government “told” you to?

And no, we are not going to reach herd immunity one way or the other. It’s a question as to whether we get there at all, due in large part to, and I mean no offense, people like you.

Is that really why you think I’m not taking it? To make a fake tough guy stance?
Your inquiries are appreciated but that’s just an annoying assumption.

[boyyourself]

I don’t remember saying I didn’t think the vaccine is safe or effective.
And I’m not trying to be won over so I don’t understand your question about someone being disinterested or neutral.



One way or another we are going to reach heard immunity right? Then what? Then are we good?

If you don’t dispute that it’s safe and effective, then why not take it? Just so you can say you didn’t do what the government “told” you to?

And no, we are not going to reach herd immunity one way or the other. It’s a question as to whether we get there at all, due in large part to, and I mean no offense, people like you.

Is that really why you think I’m not taking it? To make a fake tough guy stance?
Your inquiries are appreciated but that’s just an annoying assumption.

Why do YOU want me to take this vaccine?

[Mundane Mayhem]

I don’t remember saying I didn’t think the vaccine is safe or effective.
And I’m not trying to be won over so I don’t understand your question about someone being disinterested or neutral.



One way or another we are going to reach heard immunity right? Then what? Then are we good?

If you don’t dispute that it’s safe and effective, then why not take it? Just so you can say you didn’t do what the government “told” you to?

And no, we are not going to reach herd immunity one way or the other. It’s a question as to whether we get there at all, due in large part to, and I mean no offense, people like you.

Is that really why you think I’m not taking it? To make a fake tough guy stance?
Your inquiries are appreciated but that’s just an annoying assumption.

Apologies for the assumption. I will retract that. I am genuinely confused and don’t know the answer, so I’d love to hear your answer to that question. Maybe you’ve answered it before but I’m a relatively late entrant to the ring here.

[boyyourself]

One way (vaccinations) will get us there quickly and efficiently

The other (let nature take its course) will get us there slowly and painfully

You are opting for the latter to the confusion of many of us

That’s your opinion.