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Zip City wrote:
Wed Feb 03, 2021 2:33 pm
boyyourself wrote:
Wed Feb 03, 2021 12:39 pm
I'm enjoying seeing people all over the world resisting lockdowns orders.
Huh?
boyyourself wrote:
Wed Feb 03, 2021 12:48 pm
Infectious disease specialist. That's the best shit I've heard in awhile.
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I'm ready for a list of reasons as to why anyone should trust fauci

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And are we only supposed to resist that in which WE disagree?

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boyyourself wrote:
Wed Feb 03, 2021 6:31 pm
I'm ready for a list of reasons as to why anyone should trust fauci
He's the leading epidemiologist in the country, responsible for key research around HIV and AIDS.

I'm ready for a list of reasons why you WOULDN'T trust Fauci
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A review of the Fauci timeline is enough for me...

Fauci in March, masks aren't necessary.
Then, masks are necessary.
Then, masks, as long as it's the right kind.
Then recently, two masks, it's just common sense.
Then, never mind, the cdc said one mask is fine, and I'm cowing to what the new admin wants me to cow to, because I like this high paying political position so let's go with that.

Maderna is set to make about 15 billion this year off of vaccines.
Does fauci have a financial stake in that and if so wouldn't that hurt his credibility?

And I'm no wellness expert but it seems to me that lockdowns and isolation orders aren't good for the people, or the planet. Zoloft use off the charts. McDonald's, Wal Mart, and Amazon are all crushing it.
Not to mention a billion masks in the ocean in 2020. Big pharma? Goes without saying.

Will any of that 15 billion go into educating people on how to not be high risk? No. Why would Maderna want you healthy? Big time conspiracy theory I know.

But hey despite all the pizza boxes, Amazon packaging, to go containers, and disposable masks, at least we joined the Paris Accord and are waiting to here about new fancy climate policy from the fancy new admin. This kinda bs doesn't add up unless you're following the money.
And I won't soon forget how farmers markets were closed all last summer but Wal Mart was left open. Is that because Governer Polis was following the science? What fucking science is that?
Which reminds of all the schools that decided to open up after the election because that's some real science based thinking there.

I'm just trying to examine big picture and overall ecological and social impacts.
And I thought we were supposed to resist big ass corporations making decisions for us. But I'll admit the marketing has been brilliant. It's your civic duty to get a vaccine? That's brilliant. But I resist the shit out of that notion.
Just like I resist the notion of lockdowns and business closures for the sake of protecting the high risk population. And it seems to me if you're high risk you should sequester and protect yourself. But your asking the rest of the world to protect you by shutting down their lives?

And I'll go ahead and say it, when I hear about even one case of child abuse of a kid that's not even allowed to leave his house? Not to mention how many cases aren't being reported because kids can't even go to school to have a chance to tell someone what's going on at home? It makes me glad that people are standing up and resisting lockdown orders. Not everyone agrees that contact tracing and social distancing should be normalized like it has.

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https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2026670

So in Sweden they didn't encourage masks and schools stayed open.
Zero child covid deaths. Zero.

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boyyourself wrote:
Thu Feb 04, 2021 1:47 am
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2026670

So in Sweden they didn't encourage masks and schools stayed open.
Zero child covid deaths. Zero.
A pertinent question would be how many teacher/school worker deaths? Also, how many family deaths from contact with infected kids? A maxim I live by is people with kids & pets always want to share their problems (& costs) with the rest of us.

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According to this, 10 pre school teacher and 20 school teachers received intensive care leading up to June 30.

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Kids also don't die of the flu every year, but they sure as shit spread it around to adults.

Fauci changing his mind about the situation doesn't make him untrustworthy. Quite the opposite. He was making the best recommendations with the information he had, and then adjusted it as more data was available. It's what scientists do.

And lockdowns being "bad for the people" might be true from a mental health standpoint (I see it every day with my students), but adding thousands to the death toll is worse. Pick your poison
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Other pertinent questions may include:

What's the difference between dying with covid and dying from covid?
It's misleading the public to keep saying 400,00 Americans have died from covid.
I dare someone to find accurate numbers regarding the difference.

What's the actual mortality rate not counting nursing homes? Was it just Coumo who was lying or was it other crooked ass politicians with money to gain.
I'm guessing lots of lies, And what are the death reporting standards? Who oversees them?

What's the mortality rate among those without pre existing conditions?

What are the ramifications on the immune systems on the general population after isolation, lockdowns, losing their jobs etc?

Why should my daughter and others be quarantined in a county with 0 covid deaths. Zero. Zip. And what's the difference between quarantine and jail?
I asked my ex this, she said you aren't being told what to do in quarantine. I said bullshit.

Why was HCQ vilified even though it's a highly effective treatment? Because Trump touted it? OMG honey Trump said it was good. It must be bad then because, you know, science.

I don't like being mis led, let alone fed a spoon full of lies.

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Zip City wrote:
Thu Feb 04, 2021 10:28 am
Kids also don't die of the flu every year, but they sure as shit spread it around to adults.

Fauci changing his mind about the situation doesn't make him untrustworthy. Quite the opposite. He was making the best recommendations with the information he had, and then adjusted it as more data was available. It's what scientists do.

And lockdowns being "bad for the people" might be true from a mental health standpoint (I see it every day with my students), but adding thousands to the death toll is worse. Pick your poison

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boyyourself wrote:
Thu Feb 04, 2021 10:43 am
Zip City wrote:
Thu Feb 04, 2021 10:28 am
Kids also don't die of the flu every year, but they sure as shit spread it around to adults.

Fauci changing his mind about the situation doesn't make him untrustworthy. Quite the opposite. He was making the best recommendations with the information he had, and then adjusted it as more data was available. It's what scientists do.

And lockdowns being "bad for the people" might be true from a mental health standpoint (I see it every day with my students), but adding thousands to the death toll is worse. Pick your poison
So fauci had zero info on the alleged efficacy of masks in March?
And he changed his mind in one week on double masking? That's what scientist do? Real scientists try to disprove themselves. They don't act certain with wishy washy bs.

Mental wellness is other wise known as wellness.

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Adding thousands to the death toll? Which thousands of people were they zip? How did they get covid? And what were the pre existing conditions?
Amr was it because of no masks and people not following orders?
And if so then please explain the Sweden situation.

I would blame lifestyle and standard American diet long before I'd blame lack of masks or not following lockdown orders.

300,000 deaths of in America in 2019 from obesity. That sounds like a pandemic waiting to happen.

One guy gaurding our government and 300000 obesity deaths? So one more pertinent question, is anyone awake?
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The thousands who would have died had we fully reopened the country before getting the vaccine.

And what’s the question about the efficacy of masks? This is an airborne, droplet-spreading virus. Sure Fauci was wrong (initially) about masks, but then he got it right. Would you admire him more if he had stubbornly refused to change his views on mask regardless of the science (like President Cheeto)?
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And what is the science on masks again?
Have droplets been proven to spread covid?

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If you need to bring the orange clown into the equation to lift fauci up, your proving my point that fauci sucks too. Plus the whole country wouldn't buy I yo hcq just because Trump touted it? That's dangerous and dumb.

Seems to me that HCQ works and masks don't.
Thank you in advance for not calling me a trumper for thinking that. Although it wouldn't bother me if you did.

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boyyourself wrote:
Thu Feb 04, 2021 1:47 am
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2026670

So in Sweden they didn't encourage masks and schools stayed open.
Zero child covid deaths. Zero.
Sweden got more than ten times higher death rates than Norway. Basically "identical" countries for all practical purposes. Their healthcare-system has really been struggling to cope through this thing.
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RolanK wrote:
Thu Feb 04, 2021 12:07 pm
boyyourself wrote:
Thu Feb 04, 2021 1:47 am
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2026670

So in Sweden they didn't encourage masks and schools stayed open.
Zero child covid deaths. Zero.
Sweden got more than ten times higher death rates than Norway. Basically "identical" countries for all practical purposes. Their healthcare-system has really been struggling to cope through this thing.
Also they got more than 100 registered cases of Multisystem Inflammatory Syndrome in Children (MIS-C) following COVID infections. Children's Intensive care units are reportedly filled up to capacity in some of their larger hospitals.
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boyyourself wrote:
Thu Feb 04, 2021 12:00 pm
If you need to bring the orange clown into the equation to lift fauci up, your proving my point that fauci sucks too. Plus the whole country wouldn't buy I yo hcq just because Trump touted it? That's dangerous and dumb.

Seems to me that HCQ works and masks don't.
Thank you in advance for not calling me a trumper for thinking that. Although it wouldn't bother me if you did.
I'm not really understanding your point(s). Seems like you are conflating a massive number of issues.

If you don't believe the science behind the transmission or treatment for Covid? Fine.
You don't like or trust Dr. Fauci? Fine.
You don't want to wear a mask? Fine.
You don't want to quarantine or socially distance? Fine.
Don't want to get a free vaccine? Fine.

No one is MAKING you do anything. There have not been any sort of mass incarcerations for not masking or quarantining. You seem to be under the impression that there is some sort of aggressive government forcing you PERSONALLY against your own will. That just isn't happening. Sure there are some rules that the vast majority of us seem to be trying to follow, but that is kinda how real life works. Do you need to wear a mask to enter your local market? Probably. You also can't walk in there with your dick hanging out of your pants, even if you are a devout nudist. Do you have to wear a mask in your own house if you don't want to? Nope! And, bonus, you CAN walk around with your dick hanging out of your pants too! Freedom! :lol:
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boyyourself wrote:
Thu Feb 04, 2021 1:28 am
A review of the Fauci timeline is enough for me...

Fauci in March, masks aren't necessary.
Then, masks are necessary.
Then, masks, as long as it's the right kind.
Then recently, two masks, it's just common sense.
Then, never mind, the cdc said one mask is fine, and I'm cowing to what the new admin wants me to cow to, because I like this high paying political position so let's go with that.

Maderna is set to make about 15 billion this year off of vaccines.
Does fauci have a financial stake in that and if so wouldn't that hurt his credibility?

And I'm no wellness expert but it seems to me that lockdowns and isolation orders aren't good for the people, or the planet. Zoloft use off the charts. McDonald's, Wal Mart, and Amazon are all crushing it.
Not to mention a billion masks in the ocean in 2020. Big pharma? Goes without saying.

Will any of that 15 billion go into educating people on how to not be high risk? No. Why would Maderna want you healthy? Big time conspiracy theory I know.

But hey despite all the pizza boxes, Amazon packaging, to go containers, and disposable masks, at least we joined the Paris Accord and are waiting to here about new fancy climate policy from the fancy new admin. This kinda bs doesn't add up unless you're following the money.
And I won't soon forget how farmers markets were closed all last summer but Wal Mart was left open. Is that because Governer Polis was following the science? What fucking science is that?
Which reminds of all the schools that decided to open up after the election because that's some real science based thinking there.

I'm just trying to examine big picture and overall ecological and social impacts.
And I thought we were supposed to resist big ass corporations making decisions for us. But I'll admit the marketing has been brilliant. It's your civic duty to get a vaccine? That's brilliant. But I resist the shit out of that notion.
Just like I resist the notion of lockdowns and business closures for the sake of protecting the high risk population. And it seems to me if you're high risk you should sequester and protect yourself. But your asking the rest of the world to protect you by shutting down their lives?

And I'll go ahead and say it, when I hear about even one case of child abuse of a kid that's not even allowed to leave his house? Not to mention how many cases aren't being reported because kids can't even go to school to have a chance to tell someone what's going on at home? It makes me glad that people are standing up and resisting lockdown orders. Not everyone agrees that contact tracing and social distancing should be normalized like it has.
boyyourself wrote:
Thu Feb 04, 2021 1:47 am
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2026670

So in Sweden they didn't encourage masks and schools stayed open.
Zero child covid deaths. Zero.
boyyourself wrote:
Thu Feb 04, 2021 10:42 am
Other pertinent questions may include:

What's the difference between dying with covid and dying from covid?
It's misleading the public to keep saying 400,00 Americans have died from covid.
I dare someone to find accurate numbers regarding the difference.

What's the actual mortality rate not counting nursing homes? Was it just Coumo who was lying or was it other crooked ass politicians with money to gain.
I'm guessing lots of lies, And what are the death reporting standards? Who oversees them?

What's the mortality rate among those without pre existing conditions?

What are the ramifications on the immune systems on the general population after isolation, lockdowns, losing their jobs etc?

Why should my daughter and others be quarantined in a county with 0 covid deaths. Zero. Zip. And what's the difference between quarantine and jail?
I asked my ex this, she said you aren't being told what to do in quarantine. I said bullshit.

Why was HCQ vilified even though it's a highly effective treatment? Because Trump touted it? OMG honey Trump said it was good. It must be bad then because, you know, science.

I don't like being mis led, let alone fed a spoon full of lies.
boyyourself wrote:
Thu Feb 04, 2021 10:57 am
Adding thousands to the death toll? Which thousands of people were they zip? How did they get covid? And what were the pre existing conditions?
Amr was it because of no masks and people not following orders?
And if so then please explain the Sweden situation.

I would blame lifestyle and standard American diet long before I'd blame lack of masks or not following lockdown orders.

300,000 deaths of in America in 2019 from obesity. That sounds like a pandemic waiting to happen.

One guy gaurding our government and 300000 obesity deaths? So one more pertinent question, is anyone awake?
The I phone came out in 2007. 14 years is enough time to give everyone to fall asleep to comfortizing self affirming sights and sounds of Siri and google and Alexa, who all know you better than you know yourself.
Do you have ANY reason to think Fauci has any financial stake in Moderna? Any at all? Making unfounded accusations going to the heart of someone's character and professionalism is low and uncalled for. Did Fauci have any role in the approval process for Moderna that Moderna might have been tempted to pay for? The answer is no. It wasn't his job and he was sidelined anyway.

Did you notice that Fauci kept his job throughout the Trump administration? He still has a job in the federal govt that is more or less the same as the one he had under Trump. If there's any pay difference at all, it can't be very much. Don't you think Fauci could earn multiples of his salary as a talking head or as a "consultant" or board member for big companies? I do. So what exactly is Fauci's financial interest in keeping his job and why would he think he'd need to kowtow to Biden in order to keep it?

I can't say that the assumption underlying your criticism of Fauci's changing recommendations is false, because it's not a fact, but it's extremely questionable. Why do you think anyone, Fauci or otherwise, should have had all the answers to an unprecedented situation in the first days? If he did I think that would be be even more surprising. Why did Fauci change his mind when he did? Either it was in response to the latest data or because he's a tool of big pharma. Take your pick but realize that there's no evidence supporting the tool of big pharma POV.

You don't trust the stats? Me neither. Nor do I like being misled or lied to any more than you do. But I'd say the evidence of undercounting is at least as compelling as that for overcounting. Whatever happened to the "hospitals are reporting all deaths as covid because they make more money that way" argument? It's disappeared because it was proven to be complete and utter bullshit. So one big leg of the "stats are manipulated" argument has been totally amputated but that hasn't seemed to change the tune of those making that argument. How does that work? As far as documented cases of manipulation go, the only ones of which I'm aware are undercounting by Florida at the direction of the governor, false reporting by GA at the direction of the governor, delayed, fudged and manipulated reporting by the CDC for a period of time at the direction of the Trump administration and whatever the fuck Cuomo did or may have done in NY.

If by HCQ you mean hydroxychloroquine, there is some evidence that it is effective in some situations but even more and I would argue better evidence that it is ineffective. There is surely not enough positive evidence to conclude that the treatment was rejected solely because Trump proposed it. And of course when Trump touted it there was no evidence of any efficacy which seems like a dangerous thing for a president to do and the kind of thing you would object to. You want to criticize Fauci for changing his mind in response to changing evidence but you think the president of the united states was justified in touting a cure that at the time had no scientific basis and no legit studies supporting it? Why is that? Do you wonder whether Trump had a financial interest in one or more companies that produce HCQ? Given their histories, I'd say Trump is far more likely to play that game than Fauci and if I recall correctly there were documented reports of the Trump Organization trying to buy a manufacturer of the chemical before Trump started making public claims for it.

There are lots of people in school buildings who are not children. There may well be ways to open schools safely and it can certainly be argued that the country generally took too conservative approach, but disregarding, not even acknowledging, the interests of a substantial number of at risk people in order to make that case is not a persuasive argument and is kind of disturbing.

I have no idea what you're referring to when you mention "all the schools" that opened after the election and I am not aware of any basis for your implication that those openings are examples of politics not "real science based thinking." All I know on the subject is what I see happening in my city and my state as an adult w/out children in the schools. From what I can see the debates have been ferocious but all sides (because it's not just all or none, there are middle grounds as well) are basing their arguments on facts, science and experiences to date. Your experience may be different but I doubt either one of us has the complete picture. Your argument seems to be a variation on Junior's claim that covid would disappear as an issue on November 4th. Needless to say, that didn't happen and I suspect that "all the schools" opening after the election is a similarly questionable claim.

Sweden may not have had any student deaths from covid, but it has underperformed its neighbors in cases and deaths (that is, Sweden has more of them) since July. I don't claim to be conversant with all the literature, but I do not believe that there is much support for the proposition that Sweden's initial approach was the right one. From everything I've seen, best practices seem to be evolving towards more limitred lockdowns based on risk factors combined with cautious (but more aggressive than is the current practice in much of the US) openings with appropriate precautions.

One day, someone somewhere who believes there's a huge and important difference between deaths from covid and deaths with covid is going to answer this question: If I go into a hospice where every patient is expected to die within 2 weeks, and shoot and kill 10% of the patients, am I guilty of murder? Just so you know, in Anglo-American jurisprudence the answer has been yes since the earliest days of the common law (hastening death is murder). The distinction you have consistently tried to draw between deaths with covid and deaths from covid is without foundation in law, morality or medicine.

Your casual dismissal of deaths of older people and those with pre-existing conditions mystifies me. I'm not going to argue about it because our differences on this one imply a huge difference in world view and a lack of a common basis from which to reasonably disagree. Believe what you want to about the value of human lives and who's worth saving and I'll believe what I want.

Claiming that there is no difference between quarantine and jail is a nice rhetorical soundbite but it's absurd. If you think they're the same go check yourself into jail. Or prison. I eagerly await your report.

Without question, lockdowns of counties w/ zero deaths is absurd. So government is inefficient, bureaucracy is slow and dumb and general rules have exceptions. Is this news to anyone? Why not address the exceptions and modify the rules accordingly rather than tear down the whole edifice of rules that are reasonably effective in a number of other situations?

Without question, the ill effects of quarantine, lockdown and isolation have not been appropriately accounted for in instituting anti-covid strategies. So thanks for being a loud voice on that one. But you lose me with your all or none approach to solutions. For example one can easily imagine a system that includes both lockdowns/school closings and adequate checks and protections against child abuse.

I would say that your point that more attention ought to be paid to educating people on how not to be high risk doesn't go far enough. Other than w/ cigarettes our general attention to preventive medicine and teaching healthy habits is woefully insufficient in ways that go well beyond merely responding to covid. But I also recall Michelle Obama being ridiculed by oh so many people when she made healthy choices and healthy eating a major focus of her efforts while she was First Lady. We are at best a schizophrenic society, or perhaps more accurately, an extremely fucked up one. Just as an aside, even w/ respect to cigarettes, the reports I've seen are that the portion of the huge settlement with the tobacco companies that was supposed to go to prevention/education either remains unspent or has been, ahem, "redirected" to other uses. But I digress.

I appreciate your emphasis on the environmental effects of the choices we make. We don't pay enough attention to that either. But suggesting that responding to a pandemic in real time is the time to start counting pizza boxes just doesn't seem to me like the best way to make your case. And because that kind of thinking is not already built in to our collective or governmental decision making, criticizing covid responses for not doing so seems to me to diminish your case. It may be wrong not to consider those factors but it's not hypocritical or a deviation from a better norm, which is really the problem.
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I received my first shot a few hours ago. I didn’t have to get out of my truck! I did have to park and wait in my truck for 15 minutes after the administration of the shot prior to leaving the parking lot. The shots were administered outside a pharmacy which shares a parking lot with a SELF SERVE BUFFET restaurant, and I struggled to find a parking spot due to the number of restaurant patrons!!!

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Bubba may no longer possess the ability to dunk a marble, but he most certainly can drop truth bombs. Well stated, sir.
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Beaverdam wrote:
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I received my first shot a few hours ago. I didn’t have to get out of my truck! I did have to park and wait in my truck for 15 minutes after the administration of the shot prior to leaving the parking lot. The shots were administered outside a pharmacy which shares a parking lot with a SELF SERVE BUFFET restaurant, and I struggled to find a parking spot due to the number of restaurant patrons!!!
Fucking Jesus, buffets are still a thing? That would be criminal even if we were NOT in a pandemic.
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pearlbeer wrote:
Thu Feb 04, 2021 12:49 pm
boyyourself wrote:
Thu Feb 04, 2021 12:00 pm
If you need to bring the orange clown into the equation to lift fauci up, your proving my point that fauci sucks too. Plus the whole country wouldn't buy I yo hcq just because Trump touted it? That's dangerous and dumb.

Seems to me that HCQ works and masks don't.
Thank you in advance for not calling me a trumper for thinking that. Although it wouldn't bother me if you did.
I'm not really understanding your point(s). Seems like you are conflating a massive number of issues.

If you don't believe the science behind the transmission or treatment for Covid? Fine.
You don't like or trust Dr. Fauci? Fine.
You don't want to wear a mask? Fine.
You don't want to quarantine or socially distance? Fine.
Don't want to get a free vaccine? Fine.

No one is MAKING you do anything. There have not been any sort of mass incarcerations for not masking or quarantining. You seem to be under the impression that there is some sort of aggressive government forcing you PERSONALLY against your own will. That just isn't happening. Sure there are some rules that the vast majority of us seem to be trying to follow, but that is kinda how real life works. Do you need to wear a mask to enter your local market? Probably. You also can't walk in there with your dick hanging out of your pants, even if you are a devout nudist. Do you have to wear a mask in your own house if you don't want to? Nope! And, bonus, you CAN walk around with your dick hanging out of your pants too! Freedom! :lol:
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I posted this blog for many reasons, and would encourage anyone to read it.
Dude is not just some farmer. Right now he's working with Prince Charles to try and figure out what's to do with the soil in the UK which as been completely de nutrified from hundreds of years of cropping.

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Re: Coronavirus - COVID-19

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Beantown,
I hear you on all counts and appreciate the feedback

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Some of your questions make me realize the way I worded a couple things made then not come across as I might've meant them.
But I think it's fair to question the shit out of an upper level government official. And I think tribalism is part of the reason Biden kept fauci around. We all good as long as we are both against trump mentality. I don't like that.
And I think that's why Biden kept delaying talking about "his plan" until after the election. And now you see Fauci changing his mind so as to seem aligned with the cdc. Who has also been shifty as hell. They all need to seem aligned, so they groupthink, together.

I can imagine fauci not having a financial stake in pharma, barely.
At any rate, Zoloft and other anti depressant usage is off the chart right now.
But just wait til kids these days who are growing up isolated and social distanced and unable to even express themselves to their peers with facial exiressions. Mass depression Nice. What does the research say on that regarding the wellness of the population? Mental wellness is wellness, the alternative is a compromised immune system. And what's the carbon footprint and cost to the planet when everyone is on drugs? Or does the Green New deal state that pharmaceuticals will now be created out of ferry dust so we're good?

There's a mountain of evidence on how to not be high risk. Millions and millions of people aren't. Why? We can easily freighten an entire population into staying home and taking a vaccine and clicking on amazon. So why not a massive push from our government and the media to scare people into getting healthy?
And is it about not stressing our healthcare system?
300,000 people died of in 2019 in this country of the preventable death of obesity. That number alone sounds like a pandemic, if not one waiting to happen, and it did. And healthy people didn't get wiped out. At all.
But putting accountability on the individual isn't profitable for anyone exept perhaps integrity food farmers. Who btw have been crushing it during the pandemic.

Get plenty of sun. And or supplement the shit out of vitamin D. Which is a hormone, not a vitamin. Hormones should be balanced, otherwise you aren't well. Seratonin is also a hormone. You need hugs to stabilize seratonin. Not social distancing.
Zinc levels should be high in your body. You can supplement but you also get it from eating grazing animals, which happen to be good for soil. Not eating grain and sugar which is bad for the soil and therefore the planet.
Plus high glycemic foods are insulin spiking. Perpetual insulin spiking leads to inflammation. Perpetual inflammation is what causes a weakened immune system.
Why isn't this shit all over the news? Maybe because it's not as profitable as vaccines, booze, Amazon, McDonald's, fear, and Zoloft. If I had a billion dollars I too would own a newspaper and I'd get fancy journos to carry my propaganda so I could make another billion. It just makes cents.

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Re: Coronavirus - COVID-19

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"I think there is a lot of what we call herding effects, or versions of group think effects, these are sociological concepts where the players in the institution kind of look at each other to decide what the norm is. And then they kind of reflect that. And by the norm I mean like just their zeitgeist, the mood, how you feel about it. They have a framework through which they interpret stuff."

I don't know who said this but it reminds me of why I think Biden, Fauci, and others try to seem like they are on the same page, compromising how they actually feel about something in order to tribe up to drive home a narrative in which they think is the right narrative. And calling it science based. Then if you disagree, you're a science denier. The question for I always ask is, who's science are we taking about? The center for disease control? Anyone kept up with how they've shitfted Information in the last year?
And how are they doing at controlling disease?

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