got a question for the 3DD'er community

[whatwouldcooleydo?]

Many people in my immediate & extended family tried to inculcate via their words and deeds a hatred for black folks. It backfired, though - now I'm extremely prejudiced against old white people. Fuck them!

(1) what Flea said
(2) Richard Petty
(3) anyone who puts sugar on grits

Unless they're included under "old white people" aren't you forgetting a certain institution located about 10 miles from Chapel Hill? (I hesitate to name the town much less the institution).

Nope, they weren't significant enough for hate when I was growing up (they weren't even as good as State or Wake back then), plus my folks didn't know enough about college hoops to care one way or another. They weren't consistently good enough to be a rival until i graduated from high school. I came about hating dook without any familial input

[Swamp]

Should it stay or should it go? (questions for)

[dime in the gutter]

Should it stay or should it go? (questions for)

stay.

[Iowan]

Growing up, what were yall taught to hate?

Republicans (I've tried getting over that)

Other than that, I don't know that I was explicitly taught to hate anything. I learned to hate the following:

Minnesota (the most comically self-satisfied state in the union; at least Texas is honest about their self infatuation)
The Jayhawks (the ones that wear blue and red and play shooty hoops in Lawrence, KS - not the Louris/Olson kind)
Roy Williams (see above)
Tom Osborne
Top 40 music
people who are unwilling to try something new

[jr29]

The San Francisco Giants. It threw my young mind for a fucking loop when Willie McGee joined those pansies.

[Clams]

Should it stay or should it go? (questions for)

stay.

X2
SQOTW is the new AOTW

[John A Arkansawyer]

Growing up, what were yall taught to hate?

Republicans (I've tried getting over that)

Other than that, I don't know that I was explicitly taught to hate anything. I learned to hate the following:

Minnesota (the most comically self-satisfied state in the union; at least Texas is honest about their self infatuation)

True, but Tuck Fexas anyway. The Longhorns were about all I really learned to hate; I taught myself to hate the Cowboys. And I don't know which way this cuts, but I always tease a certain friend from Iowa by talking about how much I love their native son Garrison Keillor and that show he does about their beautiful state.

Come to think of it, Dad didn't care much for Douglas MacArthur, and I guess I inherited that distaste myself.

[Iowan]

Growing up, what were yall taught to hate?

Republicans (I've tried getting over that)

Other than that, I don't know that I was explicitly taught to hate anything. I learned to hate the following:

Minnesota (the most comically self-satisfied state in the union; at least Texas is honest about their self infatuation)

True, but Tuck Fexas anyway. The Longhorns were about all I really learned to hate; I taught myself to hate the Cowboys. And I don't know which way this cuts, but I always tease a certain friend from Iowa by talking about how much I love their native son Garrison Keillor and that show he does about their beautiful state.

Come to think of it, Dad didn't care much for Douglas MacArthur, and I guess I inherited that distaste myself.

I can respect the way Texans own their insularity, smugness, and arrogance.

Minnesotans play nice, but man, they think they're fucking best.

All that said, I like both Minnesota and Texas for differing reasons and to varying degrees and love a lot of their people. Sometimes, familiarity breeds contempt. Love/hate.

[whatwouldcooleydo?]

Minnesotans play nice, but man, they think they're fucking best.

well, they ARE responsible for these fellas:

[Son of Swamp]

Growing up, what were yall taught to hate?
Sports teams included, after all hate is hate.
For me it was cats, marines and the french.
I now have 2 cats, some of my best freinds are/were marines
and the french..........well they're the french.

Rush, the band.

[Cole Younger]

Just had some hearty laughs reading the exchange in question over in the Listening thread. Thanks fellas.

I was wondering from whence this came. Seems too obvious in retrospect. Anyway, thanks for doing the lifting.

[Cole Younger]

and just who are these "others" that KG keeps insisting tinnitus has tormented?

outside of politically-slanted back-and-forths between wolf and cole, i would think that zip has suffered some slings and arrows from my bilious quiver, but he seems to be fine w/ the banter.

that's kind of why i posted this... if i was inadvertently getting people really mad, i'd want to know about it!



anyone who knows me in real life knows that i am a snarky bastard, and ball-busting is part of my daily routine. so KG, apologies if you took it really personally (which it seems you did).

I actually really like Zip and even when it's me he's directing his sarcasm toward in the political thread I almost always get a kick out of it. I don't know if he means it as humor but to me Zip is a really funny dude.

[Cole Younger]

Growing up, what were yall taught to hate?
Sports teams included, after all hate is hate.
For me it was cats, marines and the french.
I now have 2 cats, some of my best freinds are/were marines
and the french..........well they're the french.

Yankees. And Pepsi. Venomous snakes. Oh and the Florida Gators. I think that's it.

[whatwouldcooleydo?]

Growing up, what were yall taught to hate?
Sports teams included, after all hate is hate.
For me it was cats, marines and the french.
I now have 2 cats, some of my best freinds are/were marines
and the french..........well they're the french.

Yankees. And Pepsi. Venomous snakes. Oh and the Florida Gators. I think that's it.

Hating Pepsi:

that's so Georgia

hey Cole, check your messages

[Swamp]

Growing up, what were yall taught to hate?
Sports teams included, after all hate is hate.
For me it was cats, marines and the french.
I now have 2 cats, some of my best freinds are/were marines
and the french..........well they're the french.

Rush, the band.

I was gonna say you forgot fsu and ut but I think we learnt that
together. But yeah I just thought I'd pass on my musical expertise to my offspring.

[Kudzu Guillotine]

anyone who knows me in real life knows that i am a snarky bastard, and ball-busting is part of my daily routine. so KG, apologies if you took it really personally (which it seems you did).

Apology accepted. Unless I know someone really well, I don't generally engage in ball busting and never have, so some sort of sudden shift in my behavior after 54 years isn't likely to occur. I never considered this comment to be meant as a joke as it was not presented as such so I'm not sure how anyone would expect me to interpret it that way as I am not capable of reading minds. My outlook tends to be, if you treat me with respect, I will also treat you with respect. If you are rude towards me, don't be surprised at my response. I don't think that's too much to ask, nor do I find it to be an unreasonable request. I am sure this will be cause for more to pile on, hurl insults, call me thin-skinned, butt hurt, etc. My suggestion is to save it. I seriously doubt that any attempt I make to explain myself is going to received as I expect it to. It hasn't happened before so I don't really expect to now. Oh, and for the record, I have a wicked ass sense of humor. Perhaps the only way that translates is in person. Maybe four people here actually know me outside of this board but hardly any of them post. Those folks actually know me and are keenly aware of who I am as a person.

PS: By the way Kudzu is right on Buffett. The only question is when's the cut-off date. A good chunk of his earlier stuff shows real talent and is an enjoyable listen.

I am not sure if I am right about anything as everyone has different tastes. As I'm sure I have posted countless times in the past, my experience with Buffett is that I was a fan long before there were anything called Parrotheads or there was an enterprise called Margaritaville, Inc. When I first heard him, it was within the context of fellow singer/songwriters like Steve Goodman, Jerry Jeff Walker, Willis Alan Ramsey, Michael Murphey, John Prine, Jesse Winchester, etc. Buffett himself was marketed by his label to be the next Jim Croce as Croce had just passed (they had also met but I'm not sure of the extent of their friendship beyond that). There are a few clips you can find on YouTube that are from a film put together by his label called Introducing Jimmy Buffett that include songs like "Come Monday" and "He Went To Paris". They were later included on a video compilation called Tales From Margaritavision but that was only released on VHS. For some reason, it has never been reissued. In this era, there was no "Cheeseburger In Paradise", "Fins" or any sort of novelty songs of that nature. Sure, there was stuff like "Why Don't We Get Drunk (And Screw)" and "God's Own Drunk" (which I realize isn't an original) but they showed more of a tongue-in-cheek sense of humor. For those that only know Buffett from his "Mayor of Margaritaville" persona, I can only imagine how difficult it must be to look past that to a time when the focus was more on his songcraft. When Bob Dylan named him one of his favorite songwriters of all time several years ago, it was not without good reason. If anyone is capable of setting aside all that the Parrothead era has wrought, I believe there is some excellent songwriting and performances to be found on those records he cut for ABC/Dunhill in the early to mid-70's.
As for a cut-off point, I think the quality of his songwriting begins to lessen around the time of Son of A Son of A Sailor but that doesn't mean that record (or the ones that have followed) are poor efforts as a whole. That's just where I believe the quality starts to diminish. With the exception of his newest Christmas record (which is atrocious, at least what portions I have heard), I have purchased all of his studio albums (and at least a couple of the live ones) throughout his entire career. Like in his early days, when he covered the likes of Steve Goodman and Jesse Winchester, he has continued to cover folks from Guy Clark to Mary Gauthier and Will Kimbrough but for whatever reason, they seldom (if ever) carry the same sort of weight that his early covers did. There are also a couple albums Buffett cut for Barnaby Records before he and Jerry Jeff made that fateful trip to the Keys in the early 70's and he was signed to ABC/Dunhill. These two records have more of a folk / country-rock sort of flavor but are not quite in the same league as what was to come. I also enjoy the soundtrack he did for the movie Rancho Deluxe, recorded during an era when you were much more likely to hear pedal steel on his records than steel drums.

[Flea]

I am not sure if I am right about anything as everyone has different tastes. As I'm sure I have posted countless times in the past, my experience with Buffett is that I was a fan long before there were anything called Parrotheads or there was an enterprise called Margaritaville, Inc. When I first heard him, it was within the context of fellow singer/songwriters like Steve Goodman, Jerry Jeff Walker, Willis Alan Ramsey, Michael Murphey, John Prine, Jesse Winchester, etc. Buffett himself was marketed by his label to be the next Jim Croce as Croce had just passed (they had also met but I'm not sure of the extent of their friendship beyond that). There are a few clips you can find on YouTube that are from a film put together by his label called Introducing Jimmy Buffett that include songs like "Come Monday" and "He Went To Paris". They were later included on a video compilation called Tales From Margaritavision but that was only released on VHS. For some reason, it has never been reissued. In this era, there was no "Cheeseburger In Paradise", "Fins" or any sort of novelty songs of that nature. Sure, there was stuff like "Why Don't We Get Drunk (And Screw)" and "God's Own Drunk" (which I realize isn't an original) but they showed more of a tongue-in-cheek sense of humor. For those that only know Buffett from his "Mayor of Margaritaville" persona, I can only imagine how difficult it must be to look past that to a time when the focus was more on his songcraft. When Bob Dylan named him one of his favorite songwriters of all time several years ago, it was not without good reason. If anyone is capable of setting aside all that the Parrothead era has wrought, I believe there is some excellent songwriting and performances to be found on those records he cut for ABC/Dunhill in the early to mid-70's.
As for a cut-off point, I think the quality of his songwriting begins to lessen around the time of Son of A Son of A Sailor but that doesn't mean that record (or the ones that have followed) are poor efforts as a whole. That's just where I believe the quality starts to diminish. With the exception of his newest Christmas record (which is atrocious, at least what portions I have heard), I have purchased all of his studio albums (and at least a couple of the live ones) throughout his entire career. Like in his early days, when he covered the likes of Steve Goodman and Jesse Winchester, he has continued to cover folks from Guy Clark to Mary Gauthier and Will Kimbrough but for whatever reason, they seldom (if ever) carry the same sort of weight that his early covers did. There are also a couple albums Buffett cut for Barnaby Records before he and Jerry Jeff made that fateful trip to the Keys in the early 70's and he was signed to ABC/Dunhill. These two records have more of a folk / country-rock sort of flavor but are not quite in the same league as what was to come. I also enjoy the soundtrack he did for the movie Rancho Deluxe, recorded during an era when you were much more likely to hear pedal steel on his records than steel drums.

I pretty much agree with all of that, but I would counter that his last GREAT! record was Coconut Telegraph.

[njMark]

The Yankees.
It would probably be overstating it a bit, but New Jersey sort of qualifies.
Nobody had to teach me to hate cats, I figured that out all by myself. Same w/ the Cowboys.
Nazis, both literal and figurative.

But mostly it was distrust/fear, not hate. Everything from authority to Arabs, including mostly everyone who wasn't just like me, at least to some extent.

Speaking as a Yankee fan from NJ, don't worry BTB, we hate you too. My mom was a church going lady so hate wasn't something we ever heard about from my parents. I've never understood hating the cowboys, they're from Texas and I don't take anything from Texas very seriously.

[Flea]

Speaking as a Yankee fan from NJ, don't worry BTB, we hate you too. My mom was a church going lady so hate wasn't something we ever heard about from my parents. I've never understood hating the cowboys, they're from Texas and I don't take anything from Texas very seriously.

There's no need to, Texans take themselves WAY too seriously.

[Iowan]

Speaking as a Yankee fan from NJ, don't worry BTB, we hate you too. My mom was a church going lady so hate wasn't something we ever heard about from my parents. I've never understood hating the cowboys, they're from Texas and I don't take anything from Texas very seriously.

There's no need to, Texans take themselves WAY too seriously.

Nothing exemplifies the Texas Complex better than this:

[schlanky]

[Beebs]

My mom was a church going lady so hate wasn't something we ever heard about from my parents.

This makes no sense to me. Must'v been Unitarians.

[Kudzu Guillotine]

I am not sure if I am right about anything as everyone has different tastes. As I'm sure I have posted countless times in the past, my experience with Buffett is that I was a fan long before there were anything called Parrotheads or there was an enterprise called Margaritaville, Inc. When I first heard him, it was within the context of fellow singer/songwriters like Steve Goodman, Jerry Jeff Walker, Willis Alan Ramsey, Michael Murphey, John Prine, Jesse Winchester, etc. Buffett himself was marketed by his label to be the next Jim Croce as Croce had just passed (they had also met but I'm not sure of the extent of their friendship beyond that). There are a few clips you can find on YouTube that are from a film put together by his label called Introducing Jimmy Buffett that include songs like "Come Monday" and "He Went To Paris". They were later included on a video compilation called Tales From Margaritavision but that was only released on VHS. For some reason, it has never been reissued. In this era, there was no "Cheeseburger In Paradise", "Fins" or any sort of novelty songs of that nature. Sure, there was stuff like "Why Don't We Get Drunk (And Screw)" and "God's Own Drunk" (which I realize isn't an original) but they showed more of a tongue-in-cheek sense of humor. For those that only know Buffett from his "Mayor of Margaritaville" persona, I can only imagine how difficult it must be to look past that to a time when the focus was more on his songcraft. When Bob Dylan named him one of his favorite songwriters of all time several years ago, it was not without good reason. If anyone is capable of setting aside all that the Parrothead era has wrought, I believe there is some excellent songwriting and performances to be found on those records he cut for ABC/Dunhill in the early to mid-70's.
As for a cut-off point, I think the quality of his songwriting begins to lessen around the time of Son of A Son of A Sailor but that doesn't mean that record (or the ones that have followed) are poor efforts as a whole. That's just where I believe the quality starts to diminish. With the exception of his newest Christmas record (which is atrocious, at least what portions I have heard), I have purchased all of his studio albums (and at least a couple of the live ones) throughout his entire career. Like in his early days, when he covered the likes of Steve Goodman and Jesse Winchester, he has continued to cover folks from Guy Clark to Mary Gauthier and Will Kimbrough but for whatever reason, they seldom (if ever) carry the same sort of weight that his early covers did. There are also a couple albums Buffett cut for Barnaby Records before he and Jerry Jeff made that fateful trip to the Keys in the early 70's and he was signed to ABC/Dunhill. These two records have more of a folk / country-rock sort of flavor but are not quite in the same league as what was to come. I also enjoy the soundtrack he did for the movie Rancho Deluxe, recorded during an era when you were much more likely to hear pedal steel on his records than steel drums.

I pretty much agree with all of that, but I would counter that his last GREAT! record was Coconut Telegraph.

In case you're interested, I replied to this in the Jimmy Buffett and the Coral Reefer Band thread.