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Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit
Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2022 5:40 pm
by beantownbubba
It's not like I really expect to gain any special insight but I have spent some time today wondering what goes on inside Justice Thomas's head. He goes out of his way, in shockingly non-judicial fashion, to call for the Court to overturn the right to contraception and the right for gays to marry yet he somehow didn't mention the right of heterosexuals (and homosexuals for that matter) to marry across racial lines. You know, like him and Ginny. The analysis and legal logic in all 3 landmark cases establishing those rights are very similar. Does he not realize the similarity? Does he think that if he doesn't mention it nobody will notice? Or does he just not care and is willing to see interracial marriages prohibited if it means that the other 2 get tossed as well?
Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit
Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:09 pm
by beantownbubba
Not many people have the text of the 9th Amendment to the Constitution in the front of their mind at any given time, so here's what it says: "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
While not written in the most crystal clear language, what that says and what it means is that just because the Constitution enumerates certain rights it doesn't mean that the people of this country don't have other rights which are not expressed in the Constitution, or put another way, the people do have rights even if they're not expressed in the Constitution. That's the actual language of the Constitution. So how is it that so called orginalists can say that there are no rights not expressly stated in the Constitution when the actual Constitution itself says otherwise?
I've never seen or heard an originalist counter to what seems to me to be a very obvious and compelling argument, but maybe I should just get over it.
Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:20 am
by John A Arkansawyer
beantownbubba wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:09 pm
I've never seen or heard an originalist counter to what seems to me to be a very obvious and compelling argument, but maybe I should just get over it.
I wouldn't go that far. I would say that trying to solve a political problem by judicial means has its limits, as we are being cruelly taught right now.
There is a majority to be won by a high-profile midterm leader who will make the promise "Give me two new senators who will break the filibuster and I will give you legalized abortion nationwide".
Normally that's the president. I hope this one is willing and able. Without his or someone else's very visible leadership, we are directionlessly fucked.
Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:25 am
by brettac1
To add more fuel to the dystopia, there have been a handful of new Q posts, likely posted by Ron Watkins (who was likely behind a great deal of the posts before it went away). These next four months are going to be wild and this may just add to it.
Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:45 am
by John A Arkansawyer
Lou Reed wrote:The best lack all convictions
And the worst are filled with a passionate intensity
Now you figure out where I am
Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:26 am
by Zip City
The irony here is that SCOTUS has new legal authority to uphold its opinions. The only reason this reversal means anything is because abortion rights were never codified by Congress. If SCOTUS came out tomorrow and said "in our opinion, murder should be legal", that wouldn't undo all of the murder laws on the books.
Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit
Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:08 pm
by cortez the killer
I've enjoyed this podcast that examines the January 6th insurrection, including the lead-up and fallout.
Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit
Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:50 pm
by beantownbubba
Can someone please explain to me why some Christians find it necessary, desirable and/or appropriate to pray in locker rooms and on football fields?
Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit
Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:54 pm
by cortez the killer
beantownbubba wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:50 pm
Can someone please explain to me why some Christians find it necessary, desirable and/or appropriate to pray in locker rooms and on football fields?
I can't. However, if that is what THEY personally choose to do, have at it. I take issue when THEY want to require YOU to participate. Fuck that!
Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit
Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:56 pm
by John A Arkansawyer
beantownbubba wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:50 pm
Can someone please explain to me why some Christians find it necessary, desirable and/or appropriate to pray in locker rooms and on football fields?
Because there's no such thing as bad publicity?
Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit
Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:58 pm
by Zip City
beantownbubba wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:50 pm
Can someone please explain to me why some Christians find it necessary, desirable and/or appropriate to pray in locker rooms and on football fields?
Because the bible specifically tells them not to, and they don't know what the fuck the bible says
Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit
Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 4:50 pm
by pearlbeer
Zip City wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:58 pm
beantownbubba wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:50 pm
Can someone please explain to me why some Christians find it necessary, desirable and/or appropriate to pray in locker rooms and on football fields?
Because the bible specifically tells them not to, and they don't know what the fuck the bible says
Wouldn't it be counter to Christian teachings and the Golden Rule in general to pray and/or expect God to favor your team over another team? I've personally always been confused by people who thank God after a victory. To me, it just doesn't make much sense.
Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit
Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:30 pm
by Zip City
pearlbeer wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 4:50 pm
Zip City wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:58 pm
beantownbubba wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:50 pm
Can someone please explain to me why some Christians find it necessary, desirable and/or appropriate to pray in locker rooms and on football fields?
Because the bible specifically tells them not to, and they don't know what the fuck the bible says
Wouldn't it be counter to Christian teachings and the Golden Rule in general to pray and/or expect God to favor your team over another team? I've personally always been confused by people who thank God after a victory. To me, it just doesn't make much sense.
It's all performative, which Jesus explicitly said was a no-no.
Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit
Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:40 pm
by Flea
Zip City wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:30 pm
pearlbeer wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 4:50 pm
Zip City wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:58 pm
Because the bible specifically tells them not to, and they don't know what the fuck the bible says
Wouldn't it be counter to Christian teachings and the Golden Rule in general to pray and/or expect God to favor your team over another team? I've personally always been confused by people who thank God after a victory. To me, it just doesn't make much sense.
It's all performative, which Jesus explicitly said was a no-no.
The modern day Evangelicals and Republicans would call Jesus a communist and a woke social justice warrior if he were to magically return with a new name. Fucking hypocrites.
Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit
Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:34 pm
by John A Arkansawyer
A possible speck of good news, if you can bear it:
The January 6 hearings are accomplishing more than you think
You may not see it, if you don’t understand how conservatives change their minds.
MAGAworld refusing to engage is a good sign. This is exactly what you should have expected to see if things were going well.
It's worth reading.
Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit
Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:45 pm
by jr29
I've been in a serious Tom T. Hall rabbit hole lately. I found an old interview with him where he talks about politics and religion. He kinda tied his liberalism to things he saw in most churches growing up. I do believe he was a christian but he said the things that got Christians fired up most had no basis in the Bible that he read.
Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:37 am
by schlanky
Flea wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:40 pm
The modern day Evangelicals and Republicans would call Jesus a communist and a woke social justice warrior if he were to magically return with a new name. Fucking hypocrites.
Jesus was a Capricorn
He ate organic food
He believed in love and peace
And never wore no shoes
Long hair, beard and sandals
And a funky bunch of friends
Reckon they'd just nail Him up
If He come down again
----Kristofferson
Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:03 pm
by pearlbeer
schlanky wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:37 am
Flea wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:40 pm
The modern day Evangelicals and Republicans would call Jesus a communist and a woke social justice warrior if he were to magically return with a new name. Fucking hypocrites.
Jesus was a Capricorn
He ate organic food
He believed in love and peace
And never wore no shoes
Long hair, beard and sandals
And a funky bunch of friends
Reckon they'd just nail Him up
If He come down again
----Kristofferson
]
Now Jesus was a social drinker
He never drank alone
He never partied at a strip club
Keeping his woman up at home
Or overstayed his welcome
Or threw up in your sink
Nah, Jesus was never late to work, man
And he always pulled his weight
---Prophet
Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:19 pm
by Clams
I feel the same way about Skynyrd these days as I do about Jesus. I admire most of the work, but the fans suck.
Cooley
Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 5:55 pm
by beantownbubba
Just saw Flynn's testimony. Because I've always thought so little of Trump and regard Giuliani, Powell and the rest of the circus as clowns, to me this is the most astonishing, disgusting, disheartening testimony I've heard w/ respect to 1/6 specifically and the Trump administration in general. A retired 3 star general just invoked the 5th amendment protection against self incrimination when asked if he believed in the peaceful transfer of power in America. That is beyond astonishing. That feeling in my stomach just went from nausea to actual pain. Is it possible to strip Flynn of his rank? I really, really, really wish that someone on the Committee had stopped the proceedings at that point in order to tell Flynn what a disgrace he is. How could there be even a fig leaf remaining as to the legitimacy of the entire Trump administration and any attempt to call 1/6 something other than an attempted coup? I am stunned. Horrified.
Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:01 pm
by beantownbubba
I know that our vets have thrown up their hands about participating here, but if by any chance you're out there lurking I would greatly appreciate hearing your reactions to Gen. Flynn's testimony.
Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:49 pm
by Zip City
Flynn has been fired by two presidents and is likely a Russian asset.
He deserves to die in jail
Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:59 pm
by cortez the killer
beantownbubba wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 5:55 pm
Just saw Flynn's testimony. Because I've always thought so little of Trump and regard Giuliani, Powell and the rest of the circus as clowns, to me this is the most astonishing, disgusting, disheartening testimony I've heard w/ respect to 1/6 specifically and the Trump administration in general. A retired 3 star general just invoked the 5th amendment protection against self incrimination when asked if he believed in the peaceful transfer of power in America. That is beyond astonishing. That feeling in my stomach just went from nausea to actual pain. Is it possible to strip Flynn of his rank? I really, really, really wish that someone on the Committee had stopped the proceedings at that point in order to tell Flynn what a disgrace he is. How could there be even a fig leaf remaining as to the legitimacy of the entire Trump administration and any attempt to call 1/6 something other than an attempted coup? I am stunned. Horrified.
Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:49 am
by brettac1
I will say there's been a lot of wild shit in the past 20+ years but yesterday ranks pretty high up the list.
Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:07 am
by cortez the killer
brettac1 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:49 am
I will say there's been a lot of wild shit in the past 20+ years but yesterday ranks pretty high up the list.
No!
Benghazi
Hillary's emails
Hunter Biden's laptop
Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:17 pm
by brettac1
cortez the killer wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:07 am
brettac1 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:49 am
I will say there's been a lot of wild shit in the past 20+ years but yesterday ranks pretty high up the list.
No!
Benghazi
Hillary's emails
Hunter Biden's laptop
I know you're speaking in jest but two years of Hunter Biden hearings are going to be quite a slog and are not something I'm super excited for.
Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:34 pm
by Zip City
Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:29 pm
by pearlbeer
Thousands of years? A little hyperbolic if you ask me. At the current rate of climate change, we have hundreds of years left. However, we can always buy more time with thoughts and prayers if needed.
https://thebulletin.org/doomsday-clock/current-time/
Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2022 5:56 pm
by brettac1
With the state of Lake Mead at the moment, there could be massive problems coming home to roost even sooner in southern CA.
Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2022 9:35 am
by beantownbubba
This is insane. Take the worst elements of the TX vigilante statute and add to it some of the worst parts of the, believe it or not, Fugitive Slave Act. and you have the latest from the anti-abortion mob. In their zeal they are making a mockery of the Constitution, federalism and the basic structure of our government. This is pre-Civil War stuff in the very worst and most foreboding sense of that term. And this is of course coming from self-proclaimed "originalists" and states' rightists. Whatever happened to "overturning Roe won't be so bad, abortion will still be available in plenty of states"? BTW, the headline, scary as it is, is misleading. They don't "just" want to prevent citizens of this country going to other states, they want to sue and intimidate people in those other states.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... 00007F7AB9