Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:17 pm
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Thanks, brother. You too.
I personally think this is a great, conscience-safe method for liberals to acquire guns without putting money into the arms industry.
We’ll know soon. I can’t understand people who white knuckle to the idea that everyone they don’t like is stupid. I get not liking Orange Man. But he succeeded in construction which is pretty complicated and stressful on large projects. And he had his ups and downs but he has been in the game for a really long g time and is remarkably stress resistant. He had a hit reality show and while it’s tempting for everybody to think any idiot can do that I’m not so sure that’s true. And he won the presidency. So if someone is determined to think he’s stupid then I guess they have to explain all that with what? He’s just one of the luckiest people to ever live? Like I said, we will know soon about him and Biden. I personally think Biden is not only going to lose but lose badly but I might be completely wrong.
That dude needs a new hobby.
I didn’t say he was stupid, I said that he says stupid things. There have been thousands of them while he’s been president, I imagine you’ve heard at least a few.Cole Younger wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:19 pmWe’ll know soon. I can’t understand people who white knuckle to the idea that everyone they don’t like is stupid. I get not liking Orange Man. But he succeeded in construction which is pretty complicated and stressful on large projects. And he had his ups and downs but he has been in the game for a really long g time and is remarkably stress resistant. He had a hit reality show and while it’s tempting for everybody to think any idiot can do that I’m not so sure that’s true. And he won the presidency. So if someone is determined to think he’s stupid then I guess they have to explain all that with what? He’s just one of the luckiest people to ever live? Like I said, we will know soon about him and Biden. I personally think Biden is not only going to lose but lose badly but I might be completely wrong.
Cole - this simply isn't true.Cole Younger wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:19 pm
I get not liking Orange Man. But he succeeded in construction which is pretty complicated and stressful on large projects. And he had his ups and downs but he has been in the game for a really long g time and is remarkably stress resistant.
Someone ran the numbers a couple of years ago and discovered that Trump’s net worth would be much higher if he had simply invested the money he inherited in low yield bonds. Instead he danced around through failed ventures and several bankruptcies and ended up with...less? Is this winning? The successful businessman narrative holds no water.beantownbubba wrote:Let's talk about luck for a second.
Say you own a casino and against all, and I mean ALL, odds (see what i did there?) you're managing to run it into the ground. You've got a big loan payment due in a couple of days and you're sweating it out. What to do? What to do? Suddenly, a guy in a suit walks through the casino w/ a big briefcase. It appears to be heavy - he's leaning slightly to the side w/ the case. He walks right up to the cashier and asks to change his money into chips. The money keeps coming out of the suitcase, more and more, piles of it, until Thirty Five Million Dollars is passed through the window in exchange for chips. The suit packs the chips into the briefcase, turns around and walks out of the casino w/out placing a single bet. Phew! The answer to your prayers! $35 million dollars in cash falls into your lap and you can live to screw the banks another day.
Oh, the guy w/ the suit and the briefcase? He's a highly paid messenger boy from your father.
Exactly. Trump's skills, or if you prefer, superpowers, are those of a conman. He's good at hucksterism, hyperbole, lying and, when he senses blood in the water, bullying. And because he has no shame there is no line he won't cross. Plus he has an unlimited fortune to cover all his many mistakes and to buy the loyalty he needs. He picked the perfect mentor in Roy Cohn, the perfect guide to succeeding in the scummy underbelly of the New York business world. And there you have it: The perfect combination of skills to appear to succeed in the cutthroat environment of New York real estate. He's had a couple of successes there, but he also grossly overpaid for The Plaza Hotel and ran it into the ground. The rest, as pearlbeer says, is mostly licensing and pretty much a 100% fail. See, e.g., Trump Steaks, Trump Airlines and whichever failed football league that was. Do we even need to mention yet again the debacle of his many casino failures and his adding insult to injury of burying any chance Atlantic City ever had of escaping its horrible fate? Then, when he was on the ropes and becoming irrelevant even in the New York celebrity world, just in time to save himself yet again he discovered the other place where being a lying, slimy conman is a feature not a bug: Reality television. And then he stumbled into the biggest con of all: Running for president. You don't need to win to raise your profile, become an A lister, get invited to the best parties, meet the really successful people who otherwise won't return your calls and permanently boost your brand. But then, whoops! There's a flaw in the plan: He actually fucking won. And the rest as they say is history.pearlbeer wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:18 amCole - this simply isn't true.Cole Younger wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:19 pm
I get not liking Orange Man. But he succeeded in construction which is pretty complicated and stressful on large projects. And he had his ups and downs but he has been in the game for a really long g time and is remarkably stress resistant.
In private life, Trump has rarely actually BUILT anything. He typically licenses his name to buildings and retains management rights. As for succeeding, you can reference his half dozen bankruptcies. If you want to explore his success as a 'builder' as President, the record isn't much better. While he has had numerous chances, there has not been a significant Infrastructure bill passed during his tenure. Finally, if you turn to his signature construction promise, he has failed there as well. Only a handful of miles of new 'wall' have been constructed, and I don't want to startle you but Mexico didn't end up paying for it.
He is a con-man and shouldn't be seen as anything else. Why he has been successful is certainly up for debate and luck should be a factor to consider. However, there just are not many human beings that have a fundamental lack of any form of empathy or shame. He is damn successful in wielding these personality flaws as a super power.
True. But just to make sure we get the details right the comparison I've heard was to indexed (i.e. unmanaged) mutual funds that merely track the market. Either way it obviously reveals the "Trump the business success" myth for the joke, the con if you will, that it is.Tequila Cowboy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:38 amSomeone ran the numbers a couple of years ago and discovered that Trump’s net worth would be much higher if he had simply invested the money he inherited in low yield bonds. Instead he danced around through failed ventures and several bankruptcies and ended up with...less? Is this winning? The successful businessman narrative holds no water.beantownbubba wrote:Let's talk about luck for a second.
Say you own a casino and against all, and I mean ALL, odds (see what i did there?) you're managing to run it into the ground. You've got a big loan payment due in a couple of days and you're sweating it out. What to do? What to do? Suddenly, a guy in a suit walks through the casino w/ a big briefcase. It appears to be heavy - he's leaning slightly to the side w/ the case. He walks right up to the cashier and asks to change his money into chips. The money keeps coming out of the suitcase, more and more, piles of it, until Thirty Five Million Dollars is passed through the window in exchange for chips. The suit packs the chips into the briefcase, turns around and walks out of the casino w/out placing a single bet. Phew! The answer to your prayers! $35 million dollars in cash falls into your lap and you can live to screw the banks another day.
Oh, the guy w/ the suit and the briefcase? He's a highly paid messenger boy from your father.
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Yes, the significance of that is inherent though. Indexes funds would be a safer bet than the evidence we have in how he handles his investments.beantownbubba wrote:True. But just to make sure we get the details right the comparison I've heard was to indexed (i.e. unmanaged) mutual funds that merely track the market. Either way it obviously reveals the "Trump the business success" myth for the joke, the con if you will, that it is.Tequila Cowboy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:38 amSomeone ran the numbers a couple of years ago and discovered that Trump’s net worth would be much higher if he had simply invested the money he inherited in low yield bonds. Instead he danced around through failed ventures and several bankruptcies and ended up with...less? Is this winning? The successful businessman narrative holds no water.beantownbubba wrote:Let's talk about luck for a second.
Say you own a casino and against all, and I mean ALL, odds (see what i did there?) you're managing to run it into the ground. You've got a big loan payment due in a couple of days and you're sweating it out. What to do? What to do? Suddenly, a guy in a suit walks through the casino w/ a big briefcase. It appears to be heavy - he's leaning slightly to the side w/ the case. He walks right up to the cashier and asks to change his money into chips. The money keeps coming out of the suitcase, more and more, piles of it, until Thirty Five Million Dollars is passed through the window in exchange for chips. The suit packs the chips into the briefcase, turns around and walks out of the casino w/out placing a single bet. Phew! The answer to your prayers! $35 million dollars in cash falls into your lap and you can live to screw the banks another day.
Oh, the guy w/ the suit and the briefcase? He's a highly paid messenger boy from your father.
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tinnitus photography wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 3:04 pmi'm glad we agree on those things, Cole. the problem is that they continue to happen. I mean, the reason some of these flashpoint issues have stirred up violence is that they were recorded. how many instances don't go recorded, now or in the past?
again i am not condoning violence, but i think i can understand at least a little bit of what's fueled it. not sure if hillbillies have the same grievances to rise up as african-americans but if they do i will gather what info i can and decide if it's warranted or not.
I think it fits quite nicely here. I've probably watched the entire thing fives times already. It's very well done and heartfelt.
I remember all those hard-hitting commercials from Hilary Clinton with small businessmen cheated by Trump--oh, wait. She ran commercials showing he treated women worse than her own husband does? I'm sure that's a satisfactory substitute.beantownbubba wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:27 pmThis history is well, some might say excessively, documented. Now we're talking real money. Bankrupt a small business kind of money for just the kind of people who support Trump. And yet this doesn't seem to bother them.
Dude, it's 2020. Focus.John A Arkansawyer wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:27 pmI remember all those hard-hitting commercials from Hilary Clinton with small businessmen cheated by Trump--oh, wait. She ran commercials showing he treated women worse than her own husband does? I'm sure that's a satisfactory substitute.beantownbubba wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:27 pmThis history is well, some might say excessively, documented. Now we're talking real money. Bankrupt a small business kind of money for just the kind of people who support Trump. And yet this doesn't seem to bother them.
Ten four. Yep. I’ve heard lots of them. And nobody here will get any argument from me that he’s an arrogant jackass who lies and loves the sound of his own voice. I just don’t agree that he’s the anti Christ. There’s plenty about him to not like. I just don’t get the constant grinding on him being the worst thing ever. He’s an asshole. He’s a liar. He’s arrogant. And I’m pretty sure he’s amoral. That could be just about anybody in Washington as far as I’m concerned. To want to be president, I won’t say you’ve got to be a narcissistic sociopath or maybe even a psychopath but I’ll just about say that. It sure helps anyway.Zip City wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 9:12 pmI didn’t say he was stupid, I said that he says stupid things. There have been thousands of them while he’s been president, I imagine you’ve heard at least a few.Cole Younger wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:19 pmWe’ll know soon. I can’t understand people who white knuckle to the idea that everyone they don’t like is stupid. I get not liking Orange Man. But he succeeded in construction which is pretty complicated and stressful on large projects. And he had his ups and downs but he has been in the game for a really long g time and is remarkably stress resistant. He had a hit reality show and while it’s tempting for everybody to think any idiot can do that I’m not so sure that’s true. And he won the presidency. So if someone is determined to think he’s stupid then I guess they have to explain all that with what? He’s just one of the luckiest people to ever live? Like I said, we will know soon about him and Biden. I personally think Biden is not only going to lose but lose badly but I might be completely wrong.
This is the fundamental problem with our system of government today and it's pretty hard to get around. Just like I wouldn't want to join any club that would have me as a member, I do not trust anyone who wants to be president. Or senator. I'm a little more equivocal on reps, but there's not much joy there either. In words of smaller syllables that I understand better, you've got to be nuts to want to be president and you've got to have a rather distorted view of yourself and the world to think you can make the kind of impact on the world that every presidential candidate promises.Cole Younger wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:37 pmTo want to be president, I won’t say you’ve got to be a narcissistic sociopath or maybe even a psychopath but I’ll just about say that. It sure helps anyway.
I'm not seeing them from Biden, either.beantownbubba wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:24 pmDude, it's 2020. Focus.John A Arkansawyer wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:27 pmI remember all those hard-hitting commercials from Hilary Clinton with small businessmen cheated by Trump--oh, wait. She ran commercials showing he treated women worse than her own husband does? I'm sure that's a satisfactory substitute.beantownbubba wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:27 pmThis history is well, some might say excessively, documented. Now we're talking real money. Bankrupt a small business kind of money for just the kind of people who support Trump. And yet this doesn't seem to bother them.
I remember all those hard-hitting commercials from Hilary Clinton with small businessmen cheated by Trump--oh, wait. She ran commercials showing he treated women worse than her own husband does? I'm sure that's a satisfactory substitute.[/quote]John A Arkansawyer wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:27 pm[quote=beantownbubba post_id=370916 time=<a href="tel:1600723443">1600723443</a> user_id=66][quote="John A Arkansawyer" post_id=370914 time=<a href="tel:1600720024">1600720024</a> user_id=425][quote=beantownbubba post_id=370908 time=<a href="tel:1600712851">1600712851</a> user_id=66]This history is well, some might say excessively, documented. Now we're talking real money. Bankrupt a small business kind of money for just the kind of people who support Trump. And yet this doesn't seem to bother them.
Trumpers don't care one bit about his past or the things he says and does. All they care about is swinging the pendulum back from the Obama days to their own values and beliefs. Or as others have said, "sticking it to the libs." Nothing else matters to them.beantownbubba wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:27 pmOne of the many mysteries of the Trump phenomenon is that working people somehow identify with him and think that Trump knows them, cares about them and represents their interests. This seems self evidently preposterous to me but let's say there are legit reasons for some people reacting this way on an emotional, visceral level even if not on a strictly rational basis. But then one comes to this unalterable fact: The one consistent way that Trump has found to make money is by stiffing working people. We're not talking one or two examples, or even one or two dozen. Hundreds? Not even close. We are literally talking thousands of times.
This sounds too much like "They hate us for our freedoms" for my tastes. It may be true but it doesn't really explain.Clams wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 8:58 amTrumpers don't care one bit about his past or the things he says and does. All they care about is swinging the pendulum back from the Obama days to their own values and beliefs. Or as others have said, "sticking it to the libs." Nothing else matters to them.beantownbubba wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:27 pmOne of the many mysteries of the Trump phenomenon is that working people somehow identify with him and think that Trump knows them, cares about them and represents their interests. This seems self evidently preposterous to me but let's say there are legit reasons for some people reacting this way on an emotional, visceral level even if not on a strictly rational basis. But then one comes to this unalterable fact: The one consistent way that Trump has found to make money is by stiffing working people. We're not talking one or two examples, or even one or two dozen. Hundreds? Not even close. We are literally talking thousands of times.
Agreed.
Flea wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:02 pm
Get a fucking room!