Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:06 am
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My second Great Teacher, Jim Whitehead, wrote:You listen to a fellow lie. You know
He's lying. Others in the room do too.
I'll check--and they will check--and find what's true
Is opposite of his report. What's so
Is the fucking opposite of what he's saying.
This shit is not about to work, so why
Is he continuing? He isn't kidding.
He wants something. He thinks it worth a try...
Jim Wright wrote:Conservatives, and many liberals too, have been conditioned by three generations of fear-mongering. It’s always something. Always something to be afraid of. Commies and Rooskies, Red Chinamen and Black Panthers, Ebola, the brown horde south of the border, gangs and gays and atheism, with terrorists around every corner. It’s always something with these people. Seventy-five years ago, in America’s darkest hour, a withered crippled man in a wheelchair told Americans that the only thing to fear was fear itself, and Americans hitched up their pants and squared their shoulders and faced their fears. But today? Today the politicians tell the people to be afraid. Nowadays we have entire media networks dedicated to inventing things to fear, from Truthers to Pizzagate. Americans as a people are addicted to being afraid, as a nation we embrace fear, we wallow in it, but conservatives? Conservatives own the market. Hell, they even fear their God. Fear is the very cornerstone of their religion, fear of a crazy genocidal unpredictable deity who just might wipe out the entire nation because he’s mad about the idea of gay people or socialism.
But according to Rand Paul (oft described as one of the more sensible Republicans), it makes no sense to investigate someone in their own party. I doubt any serious investigations (or shake ups) occur before the midterm elections. Party before country.pearlbeer wrote:As a US Senator, Jefferson Beauregard Session's schedule should be a matter of public record. If he did meet with the Russian Ambassador (and it looks very much like he did) then he either had an undisclosed meeting with a foreign entity as a public official (and/or campaign surrogate) OR he met with the Russian Ambassador in an unofficial capacity (as a public official/surrogate).
Either way, he lied under oath in his confirmation hearing. I would hope the Attorney General would understand the definition of perjury. The administration seems to be ready to explore finally providing an independent investigator for the Russian interference, but this is too little too late. He should resign. Period. He didn't disclose that he didn't pay taxes for his lawn guy here...he lied about secret meetings with the fucking Russians.
Assuming the resignation of Sessions, which I don't see a way around, we are now saddled with (at least) two campaign surrogates, that were confirmed White House officials that lied about contact with Russia. That is fucked up. We need a big-time independent investigation here.
We need to beat the drum of public opinion. At a minimum, we can at least get Jefferson Beauregard Sessions out of power. That's a win in my book. 2 down, a shit* load to go.Smitty wrote:
But according to Rand Paul (oft described as one of the more sensible Republicans), it makes no sense to investigate someone in their own party. I doubt any serious investigations (or shake ups) occur before the midterm elections. Party before country.
agreed... too many coincidences here to keep heads under the sand.pearlbeer wrote:We need to beat the drum of public opinion. At a minimum, we can at least get Jefferson Beauregard Sessions out of power. That's a win in my book. 2 down, a shit* load to go.Smitty wrote:
But according to Rand Paul (oft described as one of the more sensible Republicans), it makes no sense to investigate someone in their own party. I doubt any serious investigations (or shake ups) occur before the midterm elections. Party before country.
*extra emphasis on shit
I repeat myself when I'm distressed. I repeat myself when I'm distressed. I repeat myself when I'm distressed. I repeat myself when I'm distressed. I repeatSmitty wrote:How's it feel living in the United States of Alabama?
whatwouldcooleydo? wrote:TN Rep Who Pressured Mistress to Have Abortion Votes for Abortion Ban
Congressman Scott DesJarlais, the pro-life, all-family values Tennessee Republican who cheated on his wife and then pressured his mistress to have an abortion, voted this week in favor of a federal 2o-week abortion ban. DesJarlais’ spokesperson said the congressman has “always supported pro-life values”—except, of course, when they might negatively impact his life.
The Chattanooga Times Free Press reported that DesJarlais was one of 242 House members to vote in favor of the 2o-week ban. The paper also pointed out that DesJarlais’s wife had two abortions before they were married, which DesJarlais supported. Later on, DesJarlais, a doctor, had an affair with a patient, another great family values move. When she told him she was pregnant, he both told her to have an abortion and refused to go with her. He later said all that was cool because “there was no pregnancy and no abortion.”
A spokesperson for DesJarlais told the Free Press, “Congressman DesJarlais was proud to vote in favor of this legislation,” adding that he maintained a “100 percent pro-life voting record” during his five years in Congress.
Dumbass.whatwouldcooleydo? wrote:
Kinky Hypocritewhatwouldcooleydo? wrote:
Exactly.Flea wrote:Fuck those fucking fucks.
whatwouldcooleydo? wrote:TN Rep Who Pressured Mistress to Have Abortion Votes for Abortion Ban
Congressman Scott DesJarlais, the pro-life, all-family values Tennessee Republican who cheated on his wife and then pressured his mistress to have an abortion, voted this week in favor of a federal 2o-week abortion ban. DesJarlais’ spokesperson said the congressman has “always supported pro-life values”—except, of course, when they might negatively impact his life.
The Chattanooga Times Free Press reported that DesJarlais was one of 242 House members to vote in favor of the 2o-week ban. The paper also pointed out that DesJarlais’s wife had two abortions before they were married, which DesJarlais supported. Later on, DesJarlais, a doctor, had an affair with a patient, another great family values move. When she told him she was pregnant, he both told her to have an abortion and refused to go with her. He later said all that was cool because “there was no pregnancy and no abortion.”
A spokesperson for DesJarlais told the Free Press, “Congressman DesJarlais was proud to vote in favor of this legislation,” adding that he maintained a “100 percent pro-life voting record” during his five years in Congress.
No. One can read it that way but I think it's really stretching things. Don't we have more than enough stuff to REALLY worry about? Why pick pointless fights? It's not like the opposition has credibility to spare. This is one reason I'm not especially keen to be a "joiner." I don't want to be in this club.whatwouldcooleydo? wrote:Did Ben Carson really just refer to slaves as "immigrants"?
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He sort of did. But, he is tone-deaf beyond all bounds of normalcy. But, BTB is right, there is too much to focus on to be distracted by silly things like this. Or the fact that Trump like his steaks burnt with ketchup, or Kellyanne treats the Oval Office like a dorm room. All that crap is noise. But the deafening roar of the policies they are advancing should not be drowned out.beantownbubba wrote:No. One can read it that way but I think it's really stretching things. Don't we have more than enough stuff to REALLY worry about? Why pick pointless fights? It's not like the opposition has credibility to spare. This is one reason I'm not especially keen to be a "joiner." I don't want to be in this club.whatwouldcooleydo? wrote:Did Ben Carson really just refer to slaves as "immigrants"?
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There has been a huge cry for Session's resignation among Democrats but the GOP is hiding under the cover of his recusal to say it's an settled issue. Here's the thing, some of these things won't be solved now but they should be huge parts of midterm campaigns. How many people will lose their insurance under Ryancare? How can we have an Attorney General who lied under oath? How many families are being disrupted but this administrations heartless and callous immigration policies? These are election issues and we need to hold candidates feet to the fire on them.pearlbeer wrote:He sort of did. But, he is tone-deaf beyond all bounds of normalcy. But, BTB is right, there is too much to focus on to be distracted by silly things like this. Or the fact that Trump like his steaks burnt with ketchup, or Kellyanne treats the Oval Office like a dorm room. All that crap is noise. But the deafening roar of the policies they are advancing should not be drowned out.beantownbubba wrote:No. One can read it that way but I think it's really stretching things. Don't we have more than enough stuff to REALLY worry about? Why pick pointless fights? It's not like the opposition has credibility to spare. This is one reason I'm not especially keen to be a "joiner." I don't want to be in this club.whatwouldcooleydo? wrote:Did Ben Carson really just refer to slaves as "immigrants"?
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Russia. ACA. Immigration. Environment. Ethics.
Pretty much everything else is noise, and we are letting the noise win. For example, it stuns me that there is no overwhelming call for Jeff Sessions to resign. He clearly lied under oath about a non-trivial issue. He is the Atty General. I would think if anyone should be held to a standard that is above perjury, it would be him. All of my elected officials received an angry phone call this morning.
The quick retort to this will be "well, we had a President who did and you all loved him". That's a real convenient abuse for the right to just paint away.Tequila Cowboy wrote:There has been a huge cry for Session's resignation among Democrats but the GOP is hiding under the cover of his recusal to say it's an settled issue. Here's the thing, some of these things won't be solved now but they should be huge parts of midterm campaigns. How many people will lose their insurance under Ryancare? How can we have an Attorney General who lied under oath? How many families are being disrupted but this administrations heartless and callous immigration policies? These are election issues and we need to hold candidates feet to the fire on them.pearlbeer wrote:
He sort of did. But, he is tone-deaf beyond all bounds of normalcy. But, BTB is right, there is too much to focus on to be distracted by silly things like this. Or the fact that Trump like his steaks burnt with ketchup, or Kellyanne treats the Oval Office like a dorm room. All that crap is noise. But the deafening roar of the policies they are advancing should not be drowned out.
Russia. ACA. Immigration. Environment. Ethics.
Pretty much everything else is noise, and we are letting the noise win. For example, it stuns me that there is no overwhelming call for Jeff Sessions to resign. He clearly lied under oath about a non-trivial issue. He is the Atty General. I would think if anyone should be held to a standard that is above perjury, it would be him. All of my elected officials received an angry phone call this morning.
Iowan wrote:The quick retort to this will be "well, we had a President who did and you all loved him". That's a real convenient abuse for the right to just paint away.Tequila Cowboy wrote:There has been a huge cry for Session's resignation among Democrats but the GOP is hiding under the cover of his recusal to say it's an settled issue. Here's the thing, some of these things won't be solved now but they should be huge parts of midterm campaigns. How many people will lose their insurance under Ryancare? How can we have an Attorney General who lied under oath? How many families are being disrupted but this administrations heartless and callous immigration policies? These are election issues and we need to hold candidates feet to the fire on them.pearlbeer wrote:
He sort of did. But, he is tone-deaf beyond all bounds of normalcy. But, BTB is right, there is too much to focus on to be distracted by silly things like this. Or the fact that Trump like his steaks burnt with ketchup, or Kellyanne treats the Oval Office like a dorm room. All that crap is noise. But the deafening roar of the policies they are advancing should not be drowned out.
Russia. ACA. Immigration. Environment. Ethics.
Pretty much everything else is noise, and we are letting the noise win. For example, it stuns me that there is no overwhelming call for Jeff Sessions to resign. He clearly lied under oath about a non-trivial issue. He is the Atty General. I would think if anyone should be held to a standard that is above perjury, it would be him. All of my elected officials received an angry phone call this morning.
He was, but he kept his job.pearlbeer wrote:Iowan wrote:The quick retort to this will be "well, we had a President who did and you all loved him". That's a real convenient abuse for the right to just paint away.Tequila Cowboy wrote:
There has been a huge cry for Session's resignation among Democrats but the GOP is hiding under the cover of his recusal to say it's an settled issue. Here's the thing, some of these things won't be solved now but they should be huge parts of midterm campaigns. How many people will lose their insurance under Ryancare? How can we have an Attorney General who lied under oath? How many families are being disrupted but this administrations heartless and callous immigration policies? These are election issues and we need to hold candidates feet to the fire on them.
^^^ Pretty sure that guy WAS impeached ^^^
I don't disagree with this.Tequila Cowboy wrote:No, but I want to make sure we're reminding voters of this stuff all the time. Republicans that voted for Trump approve of him at almost 91%, that's insane but it is what it is. Independents that voted for him poll at less that 45%. Those are the pertinent numbers. Do I think the GOP will hold hearings on Jeff "good ol' boy" Sessions? I do not. Should Democrats ever shut up about it for 5 minutes? Fuck no. Shout it from the rooftops until the Midterms. Then shout about it some more until 2020 hopefully with the aid of holding one of the Houses of Congress at that point.
A conservative columnist's thoughts on the same subject: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/08/opin ... pe=articlebeantownbubba wrote:The problem w/ Ryancare isn’t this provision or that provision (or, more accurately, there are plenty of problems w/ plenty of the provisions but ultimately that’s not why it sucks). The problem is that the whole thing is a bastard mutt. It is not guided by economics (the economics of the plan ordain only one result: FAILURE). It is not guided by economic principle like, you know, capitalism or socialism or any other economic ism. It is not informed by any political principle or theory since it bears no relation to any particular view of the appropriate role of the state or the relationship between the individual and the state. It is not guided or motivated by a burning desire to accomplish something worthwhile like, say, universal healthcare. Rather, its lack of intent to do anything in particular is one of its biggest problems.