The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

This forum is for talking about non-music-related stuff that the DBT fanbase might be interested in. This is not the place for inside jokes and BS. Take that crap to some other board.

Moderators: Jonicont, mark lynn, Maluca3, Tequila Cowboy, BigTom, CooleyGirl, olwiggum

User avatar
Flea
Posts: 4133
Joined: Sun Apr 25, 2010 12:33 am
Location: Underneath the veneer

Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

Post by Flea »

beantownbubba wrote:
Wed Feb 01, 2023 3:12 pm
305 Engine wrote:
Wed Feb 01, 2023 8:22 am
Sorry your trip was interrupted. You ok?

I just came back from Spain. So far I've never had to use their health care but I'm told its very good.
Sorry I missed you in Spain. I'm doing pretty well, thanks, but it's basically a case of it is what it is: The surgeon said it would take a full month to recover and nothing so far leads me to think it will be shorter.
So that means you'll be at Homecoming, yes?
Now it's dark.

User avatar
Clams
Posts: 14860
Joined: Mon Mar 29, 2010 1:16 pm
Location: City of Brotherly Love

Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

Post by Clams »

Feel better soon, bubba!
Everyone needs a friend, everyone needs a fuck

User avatar
cortez the killer
Posts: 15483
Joined: Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:22 pm

Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

Post by cortez the killer »

Clams wrote:
Wed Feb 01, 2023 7:39 pm
Feel better soon, bubba!
x2
You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts.
- DPM

beantownbubba
Posts: 21772
Joined: Fri Apr 02, 2010 10:52 am
Location: Trying to stay focused on the righteous path

Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

Post by beantownbubba »

Thanks everyone.

Hell yeah, I plan to be at homecoming. It takes more than emergency surgery 4,000 miles away from home in a country whose language I don't speak to keep me away.
What used to be is gone and what ought to be ought not to be so hard

beantownbubba
Posts: 21772
Joined: Fri Apr 02, 2010 10:52 am
Location: Trying to stay focused on the righteous path

Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

Post by beantownbubba »

Although there are some mixed messages here, on the whole I found it pretty interesting. Questions about how liberal the Democratic Party as a whole is and how liberal it should be, to what extent do the very vocal minority of progressive mostly white college educated cohort reflect the beliefs and the interests of the middle class, working class and poor minorities that make up a substantial part of the total party? How synonymous are "liberal" and "anti-racist?" Are white college educated liberals hiding behind social issues to avoid addressing the real bottom line of income inequality, opportunity and related economic concerns that have vastly disparate impacts on the 2 "wings" of the Democratic Party?

And note that with respect to my earlier comment about the flat out unpopularity of the Republican "agenda." such as it is:

"The reality, as summed up by Ryan Enos, is that for all their problems,

The Democrats are clearly the majority party and may be experiencing an unparalleled period of dominance: Since 1992, a period of 30 years, Republicans have only won a majority of popular presidential votes once, in 2004, and that was during the extraordinary time of two overseas wars."

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/01/opin ... 029039208a
What used to be is gone and what ought to be ought not to be so hard

John A Arkansawyer
Posts: 7894
Joined: Sat May 15, 2010 9:51 am
Location: Little Rock, Arkansaw
Contact:

Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

Post by John A Arkansawyer »

beantownbubba wrote:
Thu Feb 02, 2023 6:40 am
Although there are some mixed messages here, on the whole I found it pretty interesting. Questions about how liberal the Democratic Party as a whole is and how liberal it should be, to what extent do the very vocal minority of progressive mostly white college educated cohort reflect the beliefs and the interests of the middle class, working class and poor minorities that make up a substantial part of the total party? How synonymous are "liberal" and "anti-racist?" Are white college educated liberals hiding behind social issues to avoid addressing the real bottom line of income inequality, opportunity and related economic concerns that have vastly disparate impacts on the 2 "wings" of the Democratic Party?
This is why I'm a democratic socialist and not a liberal: Beginning with that odious turd Bill Clinton, the Democratic Party has largely turned away from the interests of the working class in favor of what Barbara Ehrenreich calls the "professional-managerial class" (which includes me). It often seems to me the last three prominent people to care about some poor family in West Virginia were MLK, RFK, and LBJ, and we know how that turned out in 1968: Two assassinations and one self-inflicted political death by warmongering.

It's no accident, in my mind, that Martin King was killed shortly after suggesting (March 18, 1968) in his first major speech in Memphis that the sanitation strike he came to support be escalated into a general strike.
The sooner we put those assholes in the grave&piss on the dirt above it, the better off we'll be

Zip City
Posts: 17313
Joined: Tue Jul 06, 2010 5:59 pm

Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

Post by Zip City »

jr29 wrote:
Thu Jan 26, 2023 8:29 pm
Zip City wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 2:56 pm
brettac1 wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 2:09 pm
Image
My god who watches this dogshit.

Bill has gone from a Libertarian to a Republican who just hates Trump.
Because he has conservatives on his show ?
I watched about ten minutes of last week's show. He is a full-blown boomer now. He sounds like my 75 year old dad shaking his fist at "kids these days" and flinging out scorching hot takes about the education system and "wokeness". Jesus fucking christ
And I knew when I woke up Rock N Roll would be here forever

User avatar
phungi
Posts: 842
Joined: Tue May 13, 2014 11:40 am
Location: a little closer every day

Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

Post by phungi »

Hope you are doing Ok, Bubba.

Extending the healthcare conversation, I did a one-year clinical psych internship in Toronto (at the Toronto Hospital) in the early 90's and found their healthcare system equal to ours in nearly every manner, superior to ours with respect to cost and patient satisfaction, and similar with respect to waiting times. Many in the US believe that you wait hours or days to be seen under "socialized" medicine, but the wait to see a specialist in the US can be as long as, if not longer, than other countries... for routine or emergency care, our system sucks by comparison. My graduate advisor was dual Canadian-American citizen, and purposely drove to Canada to get medical treatment, even though he had excellent private insurance in the US. He was one of the most intelligent people I ever met, and fully believed the care he received in Toronto was equal to or better than that in Philadelphia, and there was zero cost with respect to co-pay, post-authorization discrepancies between what the plan allows and what the MD charges, follow-up costs, etc. In the year I lived there, I used the medical system a few times, and paid $0 and got excellent care, medicine, etc.
We got messed up minds for these messed up times...

Swamp
Posts: 2732
Joined: Sat Apr 24, 2010 6:31 pm
Location: the swamps of northern Florida

Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

Post by Swamp »

Glad you're doing better btb.
and the rest as they say is uh er uh, well somebodies history somewhere?

beantownbubba
Posts: 21772
Joined: Fri Apr 02, 2010 10:52 am
Location: Trying to stay focused on the righteous path

Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

Post by beantownbubba »

phungi wrote:
Thu Feb 02, 2023 12:27 pm
Hope you are doing Ok, Bubba.

Extending the healthcare conversation, I did a one-year clinical psych internship in Toronto (at the Toronto Hospital) in the early 90's and found their healthcare system equal to ours in nearly every manner, superior to ours with respect to cost and patient satisfaction, and similar with respect to waiting times. Many in the US believe that you wait hours or days to be seen under "socialized" medicine, but the wait to see a specialist in the US can be as long as, if not longer, than other countries... for routine or emergency care, our system sucks by comparison. My graduate advisor was dual Canadian-American citizen, and purposely drove to Canada to get medical treatment, even though he had excellent private insurance in the US. He was one of the most intelligent people I ever met, and fully believed the care he received in Toronto was equal to or better than that in Philadelphia, and there was zero cost with respect to co-pay, post-authorization discrepancies between what the plan allows and what the MD charges, follow-up costs, etc. In the year I lived there, I used the medical system a few times, and paid $0 and got excellent care, medicine, etc.
We're still stuck in the land of anecdotal evidence but everything you say confirms everything I've heard over a number of years from Americans w/ personal experience of the Canadian system and Canadians familiar w/ the American system. That the US does not have universal healthcare, under some system, continues to shock me on an almost daily basis. I just don't understand how we as a country find this acceptable
What used to be is gone and what ought to be ought not to be so hard

beantownbubba
Posts: 21772
Joined: Fri Apr 02, 2010 10:52 am
Location: Trying to stay focused on the righteous path

Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

Post by beantownbubba »

Thanks again to all for the good wishes. Most appreciated.
What used to be is gone and what ought to be ought not to be so hard

beantownbubba
Posts: 21772
Joined: Fri Apr 02, 2010 10:52 am
Location: Trying to stay focused on the righteous path

Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

Post by beantownbubba »

I was thinking that the US House of Representatives more and more resembles high school. But no. The students at my high school were much more mature.
What used to be is gone and what ought to be ought not to be so hard

John A Arkansawyer
Posts: 7894
Joined: Sat May 15, 2010 9:51 am
Location: Little Rock, Arkansaw
Contact:

Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

Post by John A Arkansawyer »

The sooner we put those assholes in the grave&piss on the dirt above it, the better off we'll be

Zip City
Posts: 17313
Joined: Tue Jul 06, 2010 5:59 pm

Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

Post by Zip City »

beantownbubba wrote:
Fri Feb 03, 2023 6:33 am
That the US does not have universal healthcare, under some system, continues to shock me on an almost daily basis. I just don't understand how we as a country find this acceptable
It's not shocking at all. It's Capitalism uber alles and if you get sick and die its your own fault for not bootstrapping your way out of poverty
And I knew when I woke up Rock N Roll would be here forever

beantownbubba
Posts: 21772
Joined: Fri Apr 02, 2010 10:52 am
Location: Trying to stay focused on the righteous path

Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

Post by beantownbubba »

Zip City wrote:
Fri Feb 03, 2023 1:05 pm
beantownbubba wrote:
Fri Feb 03, 2023 6:33 am
That the US does not have universal healthcare, under some system, continues to shock me on an almost daily basis. I just don't understand how we as a country find this acceptable
It's not shocking at all. It's Capitalism uber alles and if you get sick and die its your own fault for not bootstrapping your way out of poverty
That's easy and tempting to say but I don't think it really works as an explanation. Because this country is clearly not "capitalism uber alles." The number of exceptions are numerous and so embedded in society that we don't even think about them, but they're there. Just for starters: Child labor laws. Minimum wage laws. Social security. Medicare. Public housing. Anti trust laws, when they're enforced. So why not medical care for the under 65's? Even if you want to argue that all of these are simply the necessary minimum to quiet/buy off the masses, it's still not capitalism.

And I'm leaving out a number of government sponsored programs that are arguably tools to support capitalism even though they have great more or less altruistic public benefits like public education, state colleges, subsidized public transportation, etc.
What used to be is gone and what ought to be ought not to be so hard

User avatar
phungi
Posts: 842
Joined: Tue May 13, 2014 11:40 am
Location: a little closer every day

Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

Post by phungi »

beantownbubba wrote:
Fri Feb 03, 2023 2:55 pm
Zip City wrote:
Fri Feb 03, 2023 1:05 pm
beantownbubba wrote:
Fri Feb 03, 2023 6:33 am
That the US does not have universal healthcare, under some system, continues to shock me on an almost daily basis. I just don't understand how we as a country find this acceptable
It's not shocking at all. It's Capitalism uber alles and if you get sick and die its your own fault for not bootstrapping your way out of poverty
That's easy and tempting to say but I don't think it really works as an explanation. Because this country is clearly not "capitalism uber alles." The number of exceptions are numerous and so embedded in society that we don't even think about them, but they're there. Just for starters: Child labor laws. Minimum wage laws. Social security. Medicare. Public housing. Anti trust laws, when they're enforced. So why not medical care for the under 65's? Even if you want to argue that all of these are simply the necessary minimum to quiet/buy off the masses, it's still not capitalism.

And I'm leaving out a number of government sponsored programs that are arguably tools to support capitalism even though they have great more or less altruistic public benefits like public education, state colleges, subsidized public transportation, etc.
not to omit: fire care, police care, road care... all "socialized" services paid for from taxes
We got messed up minds for these messed up times...

beantownbubba
Posts: 21772
Joined: Fri Apr 02, 2010 10:52 am
Location: Trying to stay focused on the righteous path

Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

Post by beantownbubba »

John A Arkansawyer wrote:
Thu Feb 02, 2023 10:57 am
This is why I'm a democratic socialist and not a liberal: Beginning with that odious turd Bill Clinton, the Democratic Party has largely turned away from the interests of the working class in favor of what Barbara Ehrenreich calls the "professional-managerial class" (which includes me). It often seems to me the last three prominent people to care about some poor family in West Virginia were MLK, RFK, and LBJ, and we know how that turned out in 1968: Two assassinations and one self-inflicted political death by warmongering.
Interesting column in today's NYT by Frank Bruni focused on the PA governor "declassifying" about 90% of state jobs that unnecessarily required a college degree and, more generally, the need for the Dems to do more of this kind of thing and to generally get its ass in gear re working people.


https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/02/opin ... 029039208a
What used to be is gone and what ought to be ought not to be so hard

jr29
Posts: 2134
Joined: Mon Feb 20, 2012 6:28 pm
Location: Jackson, Tennessee

Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

Post by jr29 »

Zip City wrote:
Thu Feb 02, 2023 12:11 pm
jr29 wrote:
Thu Jan 26, 2023 8:29 pm
Zip City wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 2:56 pm



Bill has gone from a Libertarian to a Republican who just hates Trump.
Because he has conservatives on his show ?
I watched about ten minutes of last week's show. He is a full-blown boomer now. He sounds like my 75 year old dad shaking his fist at "kids these days" and flinging out scorching hot takes about the education system and "wokeness". Jesus fucking christ
A big part of the reason we got Trump was a response to the wokeness Bill referred to.

And to say he's a Republican is ridiculous. If a House member, he wouldn't be a part of the far left, "squad" section of the party, but he'd vote
for Democratic supported causes 90+ percent of the time.
Last edited by jr29 on Fri Feb 03, 2023 7:50 pm, edited 1 time in total.

jr29
Posts: 2134
Joined: Mon Feb 20, 2012 6:28 pm
Location: Jackson, Tennessee

Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

Post by jr29 »

Zip City wrote:
Fri Feb 03, 2023 1:05 pm
beantownbubba wrote:
Fri Feb 03, 2023 6:33 am
That the US does not have universal healthcare, under some system, continues to shock me on an almost daily basis. I just don't understand how we as a country find this acceptable
It's not shocking at all. It's Capitalism uber alles and if you get sick and die its your own fault for not bootstrapping your way out of poverty
Jimmy Carter was ready for a catastrophic coverage plan that would have eased a ton of this burden. It wasn't enough for Ted Kennedy so we got nothing.

John A Arkansawyer
Posts: 7894
Joined: Sat May 15, 2010 9:51 am
Location: Little Rock, Arkansaw
Contact:

Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

Post by John A Arkansawyer »

beantownbubba wrote:
Fri Feb 03, 2023 3:17 pm
Interesting column in today's NYT by Frank Bruni focused on the PA governor "declassifying" about 90% of state jobs that unnecessarily required a college degree and, more generally, the need for the Dems to do more of this kind of thing and to generally get its ass in gear re working people.


https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/02/opin ... 029039208a
That's a good thing, I think.
The sooner we put those assholes in the grave&piss on the dirt above it, the better off we'll be

beantownbubba
Posts: 21772
Joined: Fri Apr 02, 2010 10:52 am
Location: Trying to stay focused on the righteous path

Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

Post by beantownbubba »

jr29 wrote:
Fri Feb 03, 2023 6:10 pm
Jimmy Carter was ready for a catastrophic coverage plan that would have eased a ton of this burden. It wasn't enough for Ted Kennedy so we got nothing.
I find this response puzzling. I don't remember those events too well but I assume you've described them accurately. There is nothing wrong with using 40+ year old examples, except the 40 years you have chosen to overlook include the Clinton Administration's monumental failed effort to enact some kind of universal medical coverage, the Obama Administration's monumental, painful and ultimately successful effort to enact a program that moved us a lot closer to universal care, the Republicans' one vote failure to repeal Obamacare, Trump's promise to replace Obamacare with a better and cheaper plan which never even made it to a serious attempt, and certain states' refusal to accept free money from the feds to expand medicaid coverage to their poorest citizens. I don't see how any of this is Ted Kennedy's fault or how it demonstrates any failure on the part of Demcrats (they haven't come up w/ a complete or perfect system but in the world of politics, which is supposed to be the art of the possible, their record seems pretty good).
What used to be is gone and what ought to be ought not to be so hard

John A Arkansawyer
Posts: 7894
Joined: Sat May 15, 2010 9:51 am
Location: Little Rock, Arkansaw
Contact:

Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

Post by John A Arkansawyer »

beantownbubba wrote:
Sat Feb 04, 2023 7:21 am
jr29 wrote:
Fri Feb 03, 2023 6:10 pm
Jimmy Carter was ready for a catastrophic coverage plan that would have eased a ton of this burden. It wasn't enough for Ted Kennedy so we got nothing.
My memory was that it was under Nixon that Ted screwed up national health care by holding out.
The sooner we put those assholes in the grave&piss on the dirt above it, the better off we'll be

jr29
Posts: 2134
Joined: Mon Feb 20, 2012 6:28 pm
Location: Jackson, Tennessee

Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

Post by jr29 »

beantownbubba wrote:
Sat Feb 04, 2023 7:21 am
jr29 wrote:
Fri Feb 03, 2023 6:10 pm
Jimmy Carter was ready for a catastrophic coverage plan that would have eased a ton of this burden. It wasn't enough for Ted Kennedy so we got nothing.
I find this response puzzling. I don't remember those events too well but I assume you've described them accurately. There is nothing wrong with using 40+ year old examples, except the 40 years you have chosen to overlook include the Clinton Administration's monumental failed effort to enact some kind of universal medical coverage, the Obama Administration's monumental, painful and ultimately successful effort to enact a program that moved us a lot closer to universal care, the Republicans' one vote failure to repeal Obamacare, Trump's promise to replace Obamacare with a better and cheaper plan which never even made it to a serious attempt, and certain states' refusal to accept free money from the feds to expand medicaid coverage to their poorest citizens. I don't see how any of this is Ted Kennedy's fault or how it demonstrates any failure on the part of Demcrats (they haven't come up w/ a complete or perfect system but in the world of politics, which is supposed to be the art of the possible, their record seems pretty good).
Fair point. I should have explained a little further.
Unless there's something I'm not aware of, that was probably the best chance we've had to implement a national system of healthcare that would have made a truly significant difference and it happened over 40 years ago. There is a lot of blame to go around and with the benefit of hindsight I think a substantial amount of belongs to Ted Kennedy.

John A Arkansawyer
Posts: 7894
Joined: Sat May 15, 2010 9:51 am
Location: Little Rock, Arkansaw
Contact:

Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

Post by John A Arkansawyer »

jr29 wrote:
Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:39 am
Unless there's something I'm not aware of, that was probably the best chance we've had to implement a national system of healthcare that would have made a truly significant difference.
I think you understate the impact of Obamacare. I see it working for my indigent roommate. It's far short of what it should be, but still.
The sooner we put those assholes in the grave&piss on the dirt above it, the better off we'll be

jr29
Posts: 2134
Joined: Mon Feb 20, 2012 6:28 pm
Location: Jackson, Tennessee

Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

Post by jr29 »

John A Arkansawyer wrote:
Sat Feb 04, 2023 9:59 am
beantownbubba wrote:
Sat Feb 04, 2023 7:21 am
jr29 wrote:
Fri Feb 03, 2023 6:10 pm
Jimmy Carter was ready for a catastrophic coverage plan that would have eased a ton of this burden. It wasn't enough for Ted Kennedy so we got nothing.
My memory was that it was under Nixon that Ted screwed up national health care by holding out.
https://www.ineteconomics.org/perspecti ... healthcare

jr29
Posts: 2134
Joined: Mon Feb 20, 2012 6:28 pm
Location: Jackson, Tennessee

Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

Post by jr29 »

John A Arkansawyer wrote:
Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:43 am
jr29 wrote:
Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:39 am
Unless there's something I'm not aware of, that was probably the best chance we've had to implement a national system of healthcare that would have made a truly significant difference.
I think you understate the impact of Obamacare. I see it working for my indigent roommate. It's far short of what it should be, but still.
Overall, I'm a fan of Obamacare. It helped a lot of people.
I can tell you this though...I am a small business owner. (I hate saying that btw, seems pretentious) I'm very fortunate that I get my health insurance through my wife's employer. It's good insurance and it's very affordable. I've checked into what we would have to pay through the marketplace should she quit and I would not call it affordable. We are healthy folks, I'm 40 and she's 39, and we could damn near buy a lake house somewhere for the money we'd have to pay monthly for good coverage.

John A Arkansawyer
Posts: 7894
Joined: Sat May 15, 2010 9:51 am
Location: Little Rock, Arkansaw
Contact:

Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

Post by John A Arkansawyer »

jr29 wrote:
Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:48 am
Overall, I'm a fan of Obamacare. It helped a lot of people.
I can tell you this though...I am a small business owner. (I hate saying that btw, seems pretentious) I'm very fortunate that I get my health insurance through my wife's employer. It's good insurance and it's very affordable. I've checked into what we would have to pay through the marketplace should she quit and I would not call it affordable. We are healthy folks, I'm 40 and she's 39, and we could damn near buy a lake house somewhere for the money we'd have to pay monthly for good coverage.
Our insurance comes through my employer as well. It's expensive but worth it.
The sooner we put those assholes in the grave&piss on the dirt above it, the better off we'll be

User avatar
brettac1
Posts: 833
Joined: Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:33 am
Location: Birnamwood, WI
Contact:

Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

Post by brettac1 »

jr29 wrote:
Fri Feb 03, 2023 6:06 pm
Zip City wrote:
Thu Feb 02, 2023 12:11 pm
jr29 wrote:
Thu Jan 26, 2023 8:29 pm


Because he has conservatives on his show ?
I watched about ten minutes of last week's show. He is a full-blown boomer now. He sounds like my 75 year old dad shaking his fist at "kids these days" and flinging out scorching hot takes about the education system and "wokeness". Jesus fucking christ
A big part of the reason we got Trump was a response to the wokeness Bill referred to.

And to say he's a Republican is ridiculous. If a House member, he wouldn't be a part of the far left, "squad" section of the party, but he'd vote
for Democratic supported causes 90+ percent of the time.
Tbh that probably says more about the Democrats than anything.
Do you ever get tired of singin' songs
Like all your pain is just another fuckin' sing along?

User avatar
cortez the killer
Posts: 15483
Joined: Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:22 pm

Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

Post by cortez the killer »

brettac1 wrote:
Sat Feb 04, 2023 7:53 pm
jr29 wrote:
Fri Feb 03, 2023 6:06 pm
Zip City wrote:
Thu Feb 02, 2023 12:11 pm


I watched about ten minutes of last week's show. He is a full-blown boomer now. He sounds like my 75 year old dad shaking his fist at "kids these days" and flinging out scorching hot takes about the education system and "wokeness". Jesus fucking christ
A big part of the reason we got Trump was a response to the wokeness Bill referred to.

And to say he's a Republican is ridiculous. If a House member, he wouldn't be a part of the far left, "squad" section of the party, but he'd vote
for Democratic supported causes 90+ percent of the time.
Tbh that probably says more about the Democrats than anything.
Yeah, but spy balloons....
You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts.
- DPM

beantownbubba
Posts: 21772
Joined: Fri Apr 02, 2010 10:52 am
Location: Trying to stay focused on the righteous path

Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

Post by beantownbubba »

jr29 wrote:
Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:39 am
beantownbubba wrote:
Sat Feb 04, 2023 7:21 am

Fair point. I should have explained a little further.
Unless there's something I'm not aware of, that was probably the best chance we've had to implement a national system of healthcare that would have made a truly significant difference and it happened over 40 years ago. There is a lot of blame to go around and with the benefit of hindsight I think a substantial amount of belongs to Ted Kennedy.
Thanks for the explanation.
What used to be is gone and what ought to be ought not to be so hard

Post Reply