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Zip City wrote:His entire presidency is an experiment for the GOP; they are letting Trump get away with as much as possible because if HE can get away with it, then THEY can get away with it. It will take a significant public backlash (i.e. high leadership types like McConnell getting voted out of Congress) for any ripple to be felt.
I think you are correct, particularly for the operation of their propaganda arm.
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So I'm to the left of most of the folks here, which gives me a different point of view on a lot of things. Today I read a story in Slate (which is sort of leftish but more contrarian than any other one thing) which triggered my memory of a piece from The Jacobin (which is honest-to-god leftist). I read them in the opposite order than I'm going to put them in for you.

From Slate: America’s Brush With Fascism: The second KKK shared a disquieting kinship with European fascist movements. Why did it fail to take over American politics?

From The Jacobin: Bernie Sanders Wants You to Fight: When Bernie Sanders says “It’s not about me, it’s about us,” he’s not just pandering. He’s trying to create a mass movement — because he knows that without one, his agenda doesn’t stand a chance.


The first piece is long, the second is short. If you want the tl;dr of it, here is the end of the first followed by another bit from the second. I'll put a bit of my own analysis after them:
Nancy K. McClain wrote:Even in the narrowed political spectrum of the 1920s, Klan leaders confronted some ideas and values that defied their ambitions. Majority rule, religious tolerance, and regard for the rule of law, for example, all had significant, if not majoritarian, followings.

Among the reasons ordinarily cited by historians for why the United States bypassed the road some of its great-power peers took is the fact that a strong and inclusive working-class movement was able to pose an alternative to both the far right and the discredited status quo during the Great Depression. As civil rights movement veteran Anne Braden once observed, the times when the Klan has failed to grow are as instructive as those when it has. In neither the 1930s nor the 1960s did it make much headway, she argues, because in each period “strong mass movements advocated real answers to social and economic problems” at the same time as “there was a strong offensive against the ideology of racism.”

If this analysis has merit, then the irony is acute. That phenomenon deemed least American by the dominant culture from the founding of the republic forward—class struggle waged by the propertyless, many of them black Americans and recent immigrants—may have contributed more than we will ever know to keeping reactionary populist movements at bay in the United States during the Great Depression. Perhaps, after all, it was those with the least “stake in society” who had the most stake in defending democracy.
Meagan Day wrote:Bernie then spoke about traveling in 1963 to Washington, DC to attend the March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom, where Dr Martin Luther King — one of Bernie’s two biggest personal heroes, the other being Eugene Debs — gave his most famous speech.

Many Americans remember the line from that speech about not judging people by the color of their skin but instead by the content of their hearts. Few remember that King praised the “marvelous new militancy which has engulfed the Negro community” and warned that “the whirlwinds of revolt will continue to shake the foundations of our nation until the bright days of justice emerge.”

Because Bernie’s politics were forged in that era of mass protest, it comes as little surprise that he values extra-parliamentary politics on principle. But there’s a very good strategic reason for him to value grassroots left-wing and working-class movements as well. If he becomes president, he will need them to accomplish anything ambitious.

...The socialist idea morphed in the late twentieth century from a powerful taboo to a tacit impossibility, unions were hollowed out and hamstrung, and the organized Left was placed on the back foot. Without a unified mass movement to represent, Bernie marched to the beat of his own drum for decades.

But in that time, stagnating wages and rising living costs have tested millions of people’s patience with the status quo. The 2008 financial crisis, Occupy Wall Street, and Black Lives Matter further eroded popular tolerance for business as usual, creating new openings for left-wing politics. In a happy historical coincidence, Bernie Sanders happened to have stayed politically consistent, to be in good health, and to be personally willing to provide electoral leadership to a movement getting back on its feet.
The second article explains why Bernie has to run even if he can't win: Either way, he's building the infrastructure for a movement. (Obama could have--he had a great start on it--but that's really not who he is, and so he didn't. That and his slowness to nominate judges in his first two years are terrible, consequential failures on his part.) The first article explains why that work is so important at this point in history: It's a valuable defense against a rising tide of fascist and authoritarian thought.

It's one more "happy historical coincidence" Bernie's doing that work at this time. If I had to pick one for another ten years of great health and the other to drop dead today, I'd keep him over the Notorious RBG. His work is more important.
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I'm 41 and I think she's totally out to lunch. Funny though.
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Cole Younger wrote:I'm 41 and I think she's totally out to lunch. Funny though.
She did forget to count people not old enough to vote! ;-)
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John A Arkansawyer wrote:
Cole Younger wrote:I'm 41 and I think she's totally out to lunch. Funny though.
She did forget to count people not old enough to vote! ;-)
She was responding to a news story saying that she was losing traction with everyone except young voters, women voters and non-white voters
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Cole Younger wrote:I'm 41 and I think she's totally out to lunch. Funny though.
She’s really good in committee hearings. Cuts right to the chase, is extremely prepared, and doesn’t let old white men bully her.
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I like the way AOC handles herself, but there’s a lot of things I just don’t agree with her on. I can see the Democrats moving left of where I’m at, but the Republicans are pure fucking evil at this point, so I’ll probably keep voting for Dems, generally.

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Zip City wrote:
Cole Younger wrote:I'm 41 and I think she's totally out to lunch. Funny though.
She’s really good in committee hearings. Cuts right to the chase, is extremely prepared, and doesn’t let old white men bully her.
I'll have to take your word for it I guess. She says some really nutty things and the green new deal is nuttier than squirrel crap.

When I hear "old white men" used as a pejorative, it's like comparing someone to Hitler, I realize there is no need for me to listen anymore.
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Cole Younger wrote:
Zip City wrote:
Cole Younger wrote:I'm 41 and I think she's totally out to lunch. Funny though.
She’s really good in committee hearings. Cuts right to the chase, is extremely prepared, and doesn’t let old white men bully her.
I'll have to take your word for it I guess. She says some really nutty things and the green new deal is nuttier than squirrel crap.

When I hear "old white men" used as a pejorative, it's like comparing someone to Hitler, I realize there is no need for me to listen anymore.
Well if you look up some of the hearings (mostly from CSPAN's YouTube channel) you will see that there is a pretty strong pattern of old white men (whether fellow Congressmen or people being questioned) trying to dismiss her, speak over her, and otherwise intimidate her into not doing her job. She has none of it (without lowering herself to a pissing match).

Some of her ideas are pretty far out there, but I'm less concerned about that as she has little to no power as a freshmen senator to get any traction on those bills.
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A pretty good example. The witness doesn't feel like he needs to answer her question, a GOP senator tries to dismiss her line of questioning, and she comes back with nothing but cool-headed responses and all the facts. I wish everyone else took the job this seriously
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Is she the only one in Congress getting talked over, dismissed etc? That's kind of what those people do to each other. Does it just bother you because she's a young woman?

I'm not concerned about her ideas at all. The Democrats have no intention of actually trying to put any of that stuff into place. It's red, er, green meat for the left wing of the party. They will pretend like they are trying to make it happen, then shrug and say, "we tried. The Republicans won't let us" and then drop it like a hot potato.

She's the democrats' answer to Sarah Palin. A young woman that they think is cute who says nutty things and will be forgotten in a few years most likely.
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Cole Younger wrote: She's the democrats' answer to Sarah Palin. A young woman that they think is cute who says nutty things and will be forgotten in a few years most likely.
With all due respect, that's a terrible comparison. AOC is actually good at her job. I think she has a lot of staying power.
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Zip City wrote:
Cole Younger wrote: She's the democrats' answer to Sarah Palin. A young woman that they think is cute who says nutty things and will be forgotten in a few years most likely.
With all due respect, that's a terrible comparison. AOC is actually good at her job. I think she has a lot of staying power.
Time will tell. The only thing I know for sure is that if she, Spartacus, and Beto are what the Democrats are hanging their hats on, we had all better get ready for four more years of Donald Trump as president.
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Cole Younger wrote:
Zip City wrote:
Cole Younger wrote: She's the democrats' answer to Sarah Palin. A young woman that they think is cute who says nutty things and will be forgotten in a few years most likely.
With all due respect, that's a terrible comparison. AOC is actually good at her job. I think she has a lot of staying power.
Time will tell. The only thing I know for sure is that if she, Spartacus, and Beto are what the Democrats are hanging their hats on, we had all better get ready for four more years of Donald Trump as president.
AOC isn't running for president. Beto is totally "meh" and won't likely make it out of the primaries. The biggest problem for the Dems is that we continue to beat up on our own candidates and let our in-fighting lead to a lack of unity when it comes time to back someone in the generals (See: Clinton and Sanders 2016)
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Yeah that's about right.
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Cole Younger wrote:Yeah that's about right.
I have friends who are already hunkered down for Bernie or Harris or Warren or whoever who take to Facebook daily to rip on the other DNC candidates. Tribalism at its worst
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Zip City wrote:
Cole Younger wrote: She's the democrats' answer to Sarah Palin. A young woman that they think is cute who says nutty things and will be forgotten in a few years most likely.
With all due respect, that's a terrible comparison. AOC is actually good at her job. I think she has a lot of staying power.
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Cole Younger wrote:
She's the democrats' answer to Sarah Palin. A young woman that they think is cute who says nutty things and will be forgotten in a few years most likely.
I'm not a fan of AOC beyond the general sense that she bugs a lot of people I like to see bugged but that's a huge mistake comparing her to Palin. Palin was an insult to the electorate and especially to women. For all her many faults, AOC is smart, tough, hard working, dedicated and expert at social media (an increasingly important skill for politicians) and all things being equal should be a player on the political scene for decades, one way or another.
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beantownbubba wrote:
Cole Younger wrote:
She's the democrats' answer to Sarah Palin. A young woman that they think is cute who says nutty things and will be forgotten in a few years most likely.
I'm not a fan of AOC beyond the general sense that she bugs a lot of people I like to see bugged but that's a huge mistake comparing her to Palin. Palin was an insult to the electorate and especially to women. For all her many faults, AOC is smart, tough, hard working, dedicated and expert at social media (an increasingly important skill for politicians) and all things being equal should be a player on the political scene for decades, one way or another.
Yeah I definitely understand what you mean about getting a kick out of people that drive everyone nuts. I thoroughly enjoyed the effect Trump had on people back during the election for that very reason. As someone who finds both parties repulsive it was just fun watching it. I didn't think he was actually going to win the primary.

Bubba if you say she's smart there must be something to it but good night she says some things that make her sound foolish.
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Zip City wrote:
Cole Younger wrote:Yeah that's about right.
I have friends who are already hunkered down for Bernie or Harris or Warren or whoever who take to Facebook daily to rip on the other DNC candidates. Tribalism at its worst
I'm pretty busy telling my various friends (the ones that might possibly listen, at least) to stop that bullshit and tell us what's good about their candidate and that I don't give a fuck what they think is wrong with any of the others. Most especially the ones who still care about Hillary, for or against. They're the worst because it's the stupidest behavior. I'm also trying to disagree with some of my Trumpiest relatives who are posting near-incitations of violence lately. I've been inclined to rip people new ones over that shit, which is satisfying briefly and leaves me feeling a little less later on. I've decided that if I can't argue like a human being with people I'm fond of, like my cousin who I took to the Kansas City TDU (Slight Return) show, instead of ripping them new ones, I need to rethink my rhetorical skills. I'm supposed to be good at this and able to speak appropriately for the situation. If I can't, there's something wrong and it's at least partly on me.
Cole Younger wrote:I'm not concerned about her ideas at all. The Democrats have no intention of actually trying to put any of that stuff into place. It's red, er, green meat for the left wing of the party. They will pretend like they are trying to make it happen, then shrug and say, "we tried. The Republicans won't let us" and then drop it like a hot potato.
I think you may be surprised by this. There's a lot of pent-up desire she and others have tapped into, and I think I've seen gleams of youth in some formerly old dead Democrats. If the Republican Party can turn a corner, so can the Democrats.
Cole Younger wrote:When I hear "old white men" used as a pejorative, it's like comparing someone to Hitler, I realize there is no need for me to listen anymore.
I understand why people do it and why there's some justification for it, and even with that understanding, it rankles me. If if rankles me with (pardon my ego) my higher level of understanding, then why do expect it to work on the average person? I get why the point gets made, and I appreciate what a bonanza making white people an ethnic group has been for comedy, but the point has been made, over and over and over again. I also get the point that, until you're as free to talk about the next guy the way he talks about you, you aren't really equal. In my kid, the period of cussing in front of me and the kid's mom was about two weeks and then maturation happened. When you keep doing it after that, it's what I call equal-assholism. The right to be an asshole is one that is usually best left unexercised, but it's becoming the currency of "debate" and, worse, social justice. Snark sneer snivel. I'm sick of that whole spectrum of snottiness.

And if it's being done with the intention of teaching a lesson, well, it'll succeed at that, but not necessarily the lesson that's intended. It's not a very realistic view of how people react to ask things like, "After we trashed Louis CK's career, why did he start saying worse things, awful things, in his comedy?" Maybe because you trashed his career? If he's enough of a shit to do that to in the first place, don't pretend you expect him to improve himself after it, because you don't and he won't.

Ahem. Just because I run my mouth don't mean I have something to say. But you know, on occasion, just maybe I might. And apparently I did.
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I mean, the Congressmen/Politicians/Leaders that we all complain about on the daily are almost entirely old white men. They rule Washington and they rule the world, and they're fucking terrible. If you want to project that onto all old white men everywhere, that's on you, but my use of the "term" was to describe the shriveled dicks who are bankrupting America (financially and ethically)
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Zip City wrote:I mean, the Congressmen/Politicians/Leaders that we all complain about on the daily are almost entirely old white men. They rule Washington and they rule the world, and they're fucking terrible. If you want to project that onto all old white men everywhere, that's on you, but my use of the "term" was to describe the shriveled dicks who are bankrupting America (financially and ethically)
To me it's just become a popular phrase uttered by (and this is the silliest part) white people, who fancy themselves as the enlightened ones who "get it" for lack of a better description. Its short hand for, "yes I'm a white person but I'm properly ashamed of it. I understand that while I speak out against people being mistreated for things they had nothing to do with like race, I am to be ready and willing tojoin you in wholesale condemning of people because of...something they had nothing to do with like race."

It's silly. And it's just one of the newer toys in the virtue signalling game. It's a lot like the people you see in the street waving signs and screaming, "down with the one percent!". That guy is part of the one percent himself. Lol. If you were to ask that guy how much money is too much for one person to have, and he was forced to be honest, he would say, "whoever has more than me."

There's a lot of double talk that goes on and few of these groups of loudmouths are honest even with themselves. Maybe especially with themselves.

The loudest among the green folks are the same way. I'm an outdoorsman. I guarantee that I spend far more time outside and in nature than these loud mouths in cities who run their mouths about environmental issues. I'm all for cleaning g up the environment. But I roll my eyes at the stuff that comes out of these people's mouths. It's nonsense. Come up with something practical and affordable and there will be no reason not to get on board. But when they preach to people the way they do and offer up nothing but silly "solutions" that are more expensive, less abundant, then you aren't serious so I'm not going to take you seriously.

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Another popular phrase: virtue signaling. It’s up there with Social Justice Warrior on my list of most cringe-inducing talking points
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I put this in Poems, but it's mine, and it belongs here, too. I wrote this in a few minutes. It's not bad:

THE SYNOPTIC BUMP IN “WARRIOR”, BY GORDON R. DICKSON

That guy sounds like some cheap gangster
Faking up the public anger
Necessary when a coward
Has a killing to move forward
But can’t find the guts within him
In cold blood to kill his victim
So his fear of looking foolish
After threats both wild and stupid
Give the shove he needs to do what
Worse men do more easily.
...........................................So there’s that
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Runs its course: It could have been worse.
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Cole Younger wrote:To me it's just become a popular phrase uttered by (and this is the silliest part) white people, who fancy themselves as the enlightened ones who "get it" for lack of a better description. Its short hand for, "yes I'm a white person but I'm properly ashamed of it. I understand that while I speak out against people being mistreated for things they had nothing to do with like race, I am to be ready and willing to join you in wholesale condemning of people because of...something they had nothing to do with like race."
i think you are confusing wholesale condemnation with the protest of shutting out other voices and perspectives from the conversation. if you don't think our government, society, media, etc has not been shaped and and dominated by the white male viewpoint, you better done get woke, boy.

Cole Younger wrote:It's silly. And it's just one of the newer toys in the virtue signalling game. It's a lot like the people you see in the street waving signs and screaming, "down with the one percent!". That guy is part of the one percent himself. Lol. If you were to ask that guy how much money is too much for one person to have, and he was forced to be honest, he would say, "whoever has more than me."
do you know any actual one percenters? i am sure i work with some, and i know a few (including some i am related to) but not that many, and afaik none of them are out on the streets waving signs and saying take my money. the system has some clear flaws and thumbs on the scales for the ultra-rich (even the quasi-rich). here is just one example.
Cole Younger wrote:The loudest among the green folks are the same way. I'm an outdoorsman. I guarantee that I spend far more time outside and in nature than these loud mouths in cities who run their mouths about environmental issues. I'm all for cleaning g up the environment. But I roll my eyes at the stuff that comes out of these people's mouths. It's nonsense. Come up with something practical and affordable and there will be no reason not to get on board. But when they preach to people the way they do and offer up nothing but silly "solutions" that are more expensive, less abundant, then you aren't serious so I'm not going to take you seriously.
so you hunt and fish and walk around outdoors, and don't throw your cig butts on the ground or dump used motor oil in the woods. good for you. the oil lobby has an inordinate amount of control and pressure on congress, and i would love to see a Kennedy-esque 'space race' analog to support and develop alternative, renewable and clean energy sources. but the political will just isn't there. maybe it will get there at some point, but it might get there too late. do you have kids, Cole?

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Cole Younger wrote:To me it's just become a popular phrase uttered by (and this is the silliest part) white people, who fancy themselves as the enlightened ones who "get it" for lack of a better description. Its short hand for, "yes I'm a white person but I'm properly ashamed of it. I understand that while I speak out against people being mistreated for things they had nothing to do with like race, I am to be ready and willing to join you in wholesale condemning of people because of...something they had nothing to do with like race."
i think you are confusing wholesale condemnation with the protest of shutting out other voices and perspectives from the conversation. if you don't think our government, society, media, etc has not been shaped and and dominated by the white male viewpoint, you better done get woke, boy.

Cole Younger wrote:It's silly. And it's just one of the newer toys in the virtue signalling game. It's a lot like the people you see in the street waving signs and screaming, "down with the one percent!". That guy is part of the one percent himself. Lol. If you were to ask that guy how much money is too much for one person to have, and he was forced to be honest, he would say, "whoever has more than me."
do you know any actual one percenters? i am sure i work with some, and i know a few (including some i am related to) but not that many, and afaik none of them are out on the streets waving signs and saying take my money. the system has some clear flaws and thumbs on the scales for the ultra-rich (even the quasi-rich). here is just one example.
Cole Younger wrote:The loudest among the green folks are the same way. I'm an outdoorsman. I guarantee that I spend far more time outside and in nature than these loud mouths in cities who run their mouths about environmental issues. I'm all for cleaning g up the environment. But I roll my eyes at the stuff that comes out of these people's mouths. It's nonsense. Come up with something practical and affordable and there will be no reason not to get on board. But when they preach to people the way they do and offer up nothing but silly "solutions" that are more expensive, less abundant, then you aren't serious so I'm not going to take you seriously.
so you hunt and fish and walk around outdoors, and don't throw your cig butts on the ground or dump used motor oil in the woods. good for you. the oil lobby has an inordinate amount of control and pressure on congress, and i would love to see a Kennedy-esque 'space race' analog to support and develop alternative, renewable and clean energy sources. but the political will just isn't there. maybe it will get there at some point, but it might get there too late. do you have kids, Cole?
Boy yourself.

I'm not a hundred percent sure why you asked if I know any one percenters but I think I do and it isn't out of curiosity. Either way it's irrelevant.

Not only do I not do those things, I don't empty the crapper of my RV into storm drains on the rare occasions that I make my way to civilization either!

I am not going to discuss my family with you. I have a feeling that just does not need to happen.
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Zip City wrote:Another popular phrase: virtue signaling. It’s up there with Social Justice Warrior on my list of most cringe-inducing talking points
Heh, heh, heh. Now you know how I feel when I hear terms like "toxic masculinity" and "triggered".
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Cole Younger wrote:
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Cole Younger wrote:To me it's just become a popular phrase uttered by (and this is the silliest part) white people, who fancy themselves as the enlightened ones who "get it" for lack of a better description. Its short hand for, "yes I'm a white person but I'm properly ashamed of it. I understand that while I speak out against people being mistreated for things they had nothing to do with like race, I am to be ready and willing to join you in wholesale condemning of people because of...something they had nothing to do with like race."
i think you are confusing wholesale condemnation with the protest of shutting out other voices and perspectives from the conversation. if you don't think our government, society, media, etc has not been shaped and and dominated by the white male viewpoint, you better done get woke, boy.

Cole Younger wrote:It's silly. And it's just one of the newer toys in the virtue signalling game. It's a lot like the people you see in the street waving signs and screaming, "down with the one percent!". That guy is part of the one percent himself. Lol. If you were to ask that guy how much money is too much for one person to have, and he was forced to be honest, he would say, "whoever has more than me."
do you know any actual one percenters? i am sure i work with some, and i know a few (including some i am related to) but not that many, and afaik none of them are out on the streets waving signs and saying take my money. the system has some clear flaws and thumbs on the scales for the ultra-rich (even the quasi-rich). here is just one example.
Cole Younger wrote:The loudest among the green folks are the same way. I'm an outdoorsman. I guarantee that I spend far more time outside and in nature than these loud mouths in cities who run their mouths about environmental issues. I'm all for cleaning g up the environment. But I roll my eyes at the stuff that comes out of these people's mouths. It's nonsense. Come up with something practical and affordable and there will be no reason not to get on board. But when they preach to people the way they do and offer up nothing but silly "solutions" that are more expensive, less abundant, then you aren't serious so I'm not going to take you seriously.
so you hunt and fish and walk around outdoors, and don't throw your cig butts on the ground or dump used motor oil in the woods. good for you. the oil lobby has an inordinate amount of control and pressure on congress, and i would love to see a Kennedy-esque 'space race' analog to support and develop alternative, renewable and clean energy sources. but the political will just isn't there. maybe it will get there at some point, but it might get there too late. do you have kids, Cole?
Boy yourself.

I'm not a hundred percent sure why you asked if I know any one percenters but I think I do and it isn't out of curiosity. Either way it's irrelevant.

Not only do I not do those things, I don't empty the crapper of my RV into storm drains on the rare occasions that I make my way to civilization either!

I am not going to discuss my family with you. I have a feeling that just does not need to happen.
damn i missed your three edits. i bet they were doozies.

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Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

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I myself don't much enjoy political discussions designed with the goal of pissing someone talking off. That's one thing in a debate, where you're seeing someone's character on display and that someone's character is relevant. Suppose you think your opponent is weak and slow to respond to the unexpected and you can demonstrate that by walking behind them. It's a shitty thing to do to someone, but if you're running for head bomb-dropper of your country, doing shitty things to people is in the job description. So I'm okay with that sort of thing and wish my side were better at it. That's part of why I like old candidates with long, consistent histories best--you know what you're getting. But when people are sitting around talking? The stakes aren't high enough to make being an asshole worth it.
Cole Younger wrote:
Zip City wrote:Another popular phrase: virtue signaling. It’s up there with Social Justice Warrior on my list of most cringe-inducing talking points
Heh, heh, heh. Now you know how I feel when I hear terms like "toxic masculinity" and "triggered".
I've started getting triggered when people say toxic masculinity, so when I wrote about it, I didn't use the phrase. I did say misogyny. But you'll appreciate how I approached the issue, Cole: Why And How You Should Use the Word "Chickenshit" In Church Services. To get to the relevant half, start after the numbered sections, maybe at "But we need “chickenshit”, badly. Why?"
The sooner we put those assholes in the grave&piss on the dirt above it, the better off we'll be

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