Cole Younger wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 11:32 am
LBRod wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 11:25 am
Mundane Mayhem wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 12:58 am
If you think this is at all comparable to criticisms of Israel as a state actor, I don’t know what to tell you. If you can show me anti-semitism of this flavor from any member of “The Squad,” I would love to see it.
To quote Fred Eaglesmith "when did the left lose it's sense of humor?"
And when did they become so puritanical and such conformists? One of the things in the democrats’ favor used to be the fact that they didn’t engage in the moralizing the republicans were so bad about so often. Now they have not only caught the republicans but passed them. You used to be able to count on left leaning people to be rebellious when there was some sort of top down movement from the government. Now as long as it is the democrats doing it they fall in line and scream at you if you don’t join them. That’s new. The party of questioning everything has become the party of conformity and “shut up and do what you’re told.” They also went from being the party of the working class to the party of the HR department and the two things seem to have happened around the same time.
If that was a joke, it wasn't a very funny one, but if the Eaglesmith thing is just a way to defuse and pivot away from a largely irrelevant (to BTB's point) conversation, I'm on board.
Although, in case anyone actually finds this interesting, I was inspired to do some reading, and thought
this was a decent attempt at a relatively even-handed discussion of the topic at hand (at least from a pretty mainstream liberal-ish perspective). I don't agree with every point he makes, but that's usually a good thing if you're trying to avoid living in an echo chamber. My biggest nit to pick is that insofar as some of the most strident Israel hawks in Congress aren't Jews, but rather evangelical Christian Republicans, it's not entirely fair to characterize the "dual loyalty" thing as something she was leveling at Jews specifically. But the author is not wrong about that language running parallel to some ugly rhetoric that one really ought to steer clear of, especially as a member of Congress. Generally speaking, if David Duke is defending you, pull up.
On a side note, I think I'm actually a pretty funny guy (and not all that "PC") and have no real love whatsoever for the Democratic Party, who were craven and cowardly in throwing Ilhan Omar under the bus in this particular instance. If we ever get to see a Rock Show again, maybe you'll get a chance to hear me crack some jokes. I'm a pretty easy-going guy.
And say what you will about The Squad, if that's still what we're talking about, but I don't think you can really call them "conformists" when they are pretty constantly operating as a thorn in the side of their own party. Israel is one of the issues on which there's something resembling a bipartisan consensus. Agree with them or not, but they're not falling in line on that issue.
All it takes is one wicked heart, a pile of money, and a chain of folks just doing their jobs