Zip City wrote:Screechers gonna screech. Can't argue with thatCole Younger wrote:That's up to you, Zip. But that's part of the problem. You can't get past it because you immediately locked onto that and you were done. I'm not comparing them except that no matter what you think about it, the ideologues on the right were as repulsed by Obama as you are by Trump. And they were as hysterical about him as some people are about Trump.Zip City wrote:I respect your opinion, but comparing Obama and Trump is such a false equivalence that I can’t get past it
It matters A LOT to meWhether or not they are the same doesn't matter to me.
Well "not Hitler" is a pretty low standardNeither of them are the worst people who have ever lived and the Hitler comparisons people have made about both indicate more about those who make them than either of the two presidents.
Disagree. Trump is different.Remember, it wasn't so long ago that George Bush was Hitler and the worst person who has ever lived. People get so hyperbolic and in such a frenzy about the other guy. I will make you a bet, after Trump is gone, whoever the next Republican president is will be called the end of America too and it will be like Trump was never even president.
But you know what, you and I WILL probably be fine. I'm not gay, I'm not a woman, I'm not black, I don't work in manufacturing, I'm not hispanic.
If Trump succeeds at putting a hardcore conservative onto the Supreme Court (and there's little doubt he can be stopped), we will see major reversals on Roe v Wade, gay marriage, and many other social issues. I cannot rationalize any of it with "it doesn't affect me, so why should I worry?"
tl;dr this is a pivotal point in our country's history, and all signs point towards the U.S. taking a gigantic step backwards. It makes me so sad for my kids
I laughed out loud at "Not Hitler is a pretty low standard" Agreed.
I don't believe that Trump is different. For the same reason that I outlined above. People said Bush was different. He was worse than anything that ever came before they said. The word "evil" was used to describe him pretty regularly. No he wasnt. He was a bad president. He did some things that an still mad about to this day. But he wasn't evil.
Trump is only different because he is right now. Just as Obama was the worst thing ever to conservatives because he was the Democrat in the white house right then.
Remember a scant six years ago when Mitt Romney was evil and something to be feared? Mitt freaking Romney . The dude could make audio books of himself talking as a guaranteed cure for insomnia. But in 2012 he was a monster. That's exactly what I'm talking about.
I'm not arguing in Trump's favor. I'm just pointing out why the"America is done. We are fucked" stuff is overblown.
I don't believe there is going to be any sort of government attack on the people that you mentioned. But I do believe the Democrats are going to say there is whether there is or isnt. That's what both parties do when they dont have any control. Even if that were Trumps aim he wouldn't be able to pull it off. That's what the cheerleaders for the big two parties fall for every time. They believe these guys when they say they are going to go to Washington and change everything. No they arent. The system is set up so that they cant.
As for the signs pointing to us lurching irreversibly to the right, conservatives thought we were going to go lurching irreversibly to the left when the Democrats had the presidency and both houses of congress. We didnt and it wasn't long before the Democrats didn't have both houses of congress anymore. The Republican party had been pronounced dead. What do you want to bet the republicans lose at least the Senate in the mid terms? I bet they do. That's how this stuff goes. It was set up like that. And since I don't like either party for different reasons I'm glad neither can just take permanent control of even have control for very long. And it's exactly why I don't worry about this stuff very much.