The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

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Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

Postby John A Arkansawyer » Fri May 19, 2017 4:34 pm

whatwouldcooleydo? wrote:this shit makes me mad as fucking hell. I would not be the least bit surprised if Trump told Erdogan to have at it

Turkish goons beating the shit out of people on American soil :x :x :x



Of all the politicians in power right now, Erdogan is who Trump is most like, and most likely to imitate. It's going to be an interesting three and two-thirds years.
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Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

Postby whatwouldcooleydo? » Fri May 19, 2017 4:36 pm

John A Arkansawyer wrote:
whatwouldcooleydo? wrote:this shit makes me mad as fucking hell. I would not be the least bit surprised if Trump told Erdogan to have at it

Turkish goons beating the shit out of people on American soil :x :x :x



Of all the politicians in power right now, Erdogan is who Trump is most like, and most likely to imitate. It's going to be an interesting three and two-thirds years.


Agree 100%. You know Trump watches how Erdogan treats journalists and gets excited as hell
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Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

Postby Flea » Fri May 19, 2017 7:17 pm

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Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

Postby Mundane Mayhem » Fri May 19, 2017 7:19 pm

Is it too early for Cooley/Hood 2020 shirts? I think I might be able to write the cost off as a goddamn therapeutic expense at this point.
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Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

Postby whatwouldcooleydo? » Fri May 19, 2017 7:51 pm

from Wednesday at the Coast Guard Academy:

“Look at the way I’ve been treated lately,” Trump said, as some in the audience burst into laughter, “especially by the media. No politician in history — and I say this with great surety — has been treated worse or more unfairly.”

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Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

Postby Flea » Fri May 19, 2017 8:19 pm

whatwouldcooleydo? wrote:from Wednesday at the Coast Guard Academy:

“Look at the way I’ve been treated lately,” Trump said, as some in the audience burst into laughter, “especially by the media. No politician in history — and I say this with great surety — has been treated worse or more unfairly.”

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Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

Postby whatwouldcooleydo? » Fri May 19, 2017 8:54 pm

"No politician in history — and I say this with great surety — has been treated worse or more unfairly.”


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also, he didn't use "surety" correctly. While I would never attempt to guess what Trump means, I am fairly sure he meant to say "certainty"
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Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

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"No politician in history — and I say this with great surety — has been treated worse or more unfairly.”

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Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

Postby John A Arkansawyer » Sat May 20, 2017 7:51 am

With DHS Position, Clarke Would Be the First ‘Patriot’ Leader to Hold a Federal Post

The apparent elevation of Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke to a position within the U.S. Department of Homeland Security would mark another “first” of sorts for the Trump administration: It’s the first time any known participant in the antigovernment Patriot movement, let alone one of its leading figures, has ever held a federal position of any significance.

Clarke told a radio talk-show host earlier this week that he was accepting the job as assistant secretary in the Office of Partnership and Engagement at DHS, serving as a kind of liaison between local law enforcement and the federal agency.

This would be a remarkable position for someone long affiliated with Richard Mack’s extremist Patriot organization, the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association, to hold. Among the core tenets of CSPOA dogma is the far-right “constitutionalist” belief that sheriffs represent the highest law of the land, and are capable of overturning or ignoring federal laws within their own jurisdictions. Moreover, Clarke's history of incendiary remarks includes his advocacy of "a second American revolution."
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Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

Postby Cole Younger » Sat May 20, 2017 12:18 pm

John A Arkansawyer wrote:With DHS Position, Clarke Would Be the First ‘Patriot’ Leader to Hold a Federal Post

The apparent elevation of Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke to a position within the U.S. Department of Homeland Security would mark another “first” of sorts for the Trump administration: It’s the first time any known participant in the antigovernment Patriot movement, let alone one of its leading figures, has ever held a federal position of any significance.

Clarke told a radio talk-show host earlier this week that he was accepting the job as assistant secretary in the Office of Partnership and Engagement at DHS, serving as a kind of liaison between local law enforcement and the federal agency.

This would be a remarkable position for someone long affiliated with Richard Mack’s extremist Patriot organization, the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association, to hold. Among the core tenets of CSPOA dogma is the far-right “constitutionalist” belief that sheriffs represent the highest law of the land, and are capable of overturning or ignoring federal laws within their own jurisdictions. Moreover, Clarke's history of incendiary remarks includes his advocacy of "a second American revolution."


They would have to get up pretty early in the morning to be more extreme or violent than the resistance.
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Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

Postby whatwouldcooleydo? » Sat May 20, 2017 3:17 pm

Cole Younger wrote:
John A Arkansawyer wrote:With DHS Position, Clarke Would Be the First ‘Patriot’ Leader to Hold a Federal Post

The apparent elevation of Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke to a position within the U.S. Department of Homeland Security would mark another “first” of sorts for the Trump administration: It’s the first time any known participant in the antigovernment Patriot movement, let alone one of its leading figures, has ever held a federal position of any significance.

Clarke told a radio talk-show host earlier this week that he was accepting the job as assistant secretary in the Office of Partnership and Engagement at DHS, serving as a kind of liaison between local law enforcement and the federal agency.

This would be a remarkable position for someone long affiliated with Richard Mack’s extremist Patriot organization, the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association, to hold. Among the core tenets of CSPOA dogma is the far-right “constitutionalist” belief that sheriffs represent the highest law of the land, and are capable of overturning or ignoring federal laws within their own jurisdictions. Moreover, Clarke's history of incendiary remarks includes his advocacy of "a second American revolution."


They would have to get up pretty early in the morning to be more extreme or violent than the resistance.


Forgive me, I am confused. Is the "they" you referred to the CSPOA? And who is said "resistance"? Sorry, I am just wanting to be clear

ETA: just read your post in the "Dance Band" thread, is that the resistance you were referring to?

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Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

Postby Cole Younger » Sat May 20, 2017 3:33 pm

Lol. No problem. Yeah the whole telling people to be accepting and not violent etc and then essentially declaring war on the other "side" has worn thin with me. The same people who freaked out and called the Tea Party a dangerous mob and compared them to Nazis are on board with this bunch of miscreants who are actually a violent mob. I don't get too worked up by much but I really have had a belly full of these people. And by these people I mean the ones carrying out the violence and the ones cheering them on. I'm not talking about Democrats or liberals. Want Trump gone? I understand. But there is absolutely no excuse for that other stuff. Protest is totally legit. But the peaceful protestors should distance themselves from "the resistance".
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Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

Postby sactochris » Sat May 20, 2017 3:39 pm

Cole Younger wrote:Lol. No problem. Yeah the whole telling people to be accepting and not violent etc and then essentially declaring war on the other "side" has worn thin with me. The same people who freaked out and called the Tea Party a dangerous mob and compared them to Nazis are on board with this bunch of miscreants who are actually a violent mob. I don't get too worked up by much but I really have had a belly full of these people. And by these people I mean the ones carrying out the violence and the ones cheering them on. I'm not talking about Democrats or liberals. Want Trump gone? I understand. But there is absolutely no excuse for that other stuff. Protest is totally legit. But the peaceful protestors should distance themselves from "the resistance".




King George's followers said the same thing you are saying now during the American revolution, Cole. You only get one chance to be on the right side of history.
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Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

Postby Cole Younger » Sat May 20, 2017 3:50 pm

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Cole Younger wrote:Lol. No problem. Yeah the whole telling people to be accepting and not violent etc and then essentially declaring war on the other "side" has worn thin with me. The same people who freaked out and called the Tea Party a dangerous mob and compared them to Nazis are on board with this bunch of miscreants who are actually a violent mob. I don't get too worked up by much but I really have had a belly full of these people. And by these people I mean the ones carrying out the violence and the ones cheering them on. I'm not talking about Democrats or liberals. Want Trump gone? I understand. But there is absolutely no excuse for that other stuff. Protest is totally legit. But the peaceful protestors should distance themselves from "the resistance".


Jeez let me try this again. I managed to foul up the quote feature. I get what you're trying to say. But the two situations are radically different. I'm beginning to think that these people will be caught up in some sort of hysteria no matter what is going on. I mean they turned it up to 10 for Mitt Freaking Romney! Possibly the most boring politician of my lifetime and they acted like we were on the precipice when he ran. They even hee hawed when he said Russia was a major threat to our national security. Now they are terrified there is a Russian behind every bush and have dialed it up to 12 for Trump. It's like it is going to be like this no matter what. Even when Obama was in the white House they talked about how dangerous conservatives were.




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Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

Postby Cole Younger » Sat May 20, 2017 3:52 pm

Alright I'm not sure what's going on here and I'm kind of in a hurry. Just read that jacked up way I posted that if you feel like it. Sorry.
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Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

Postby Zip City » Sat May 20, 2017 4:17 pm

Am I missing out on something? I watch/read news constantly and have no recollection of wild, violent "resistance" protestors causing widespread panic?
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Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

Postby whatwouldcooleydo? » Sat May 20, 2017 4:24 pm

Zip City wrote:Am I missing out on something? I watch/read news constantly and have no recollection of wild, violent "resistance" protestors causing widespread panic?


Ditto. Other than the well publicized Berkeley incidents, I wasn't aware that this was occurring all that often

On the other hand, what is occurring often is people being killed by the police, 453 this year as of two days ago (May 18 was the 138th day of the year).

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Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

Postby sactochris » Sat May 20, 2017 7:29 pm

whatwouldcooleydo? wrote:
Zip City wrote:Am I missing out on something? I watch/read news constantly and have no recollection of wild, violent "resistance" protestors causing widespread panic?


Ditto. Other than the well publicized Berkeley incidents, I wasn't aware that this was occurring all that often

On the other hand, what is occurring often is people being killed by the police, 453 this year as of two days ago (May 18 was the 138th day of the year).

http://killedbypolice.net/




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Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

Postby John A Arkansawyer » Sat May 20, 2017 7:30 pm

Cole Younger wrote:
John A Arkansawyer wrote:With DHS Position, Clarke Would Be the First ‘Patriot’ Leader to Hold a Federal Post

The apparent elevation of Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke to a position within the U.S. Department of Homeland Security would mark another “first” of sorts for the Trump administration: It’s the first time any known participant in the antigovernment Patriot movement, let alone one of its leading figures, has ever held a federal position of any significance.

Clarke told a radio talk-show host earlier this week that he was accepting the job as assistant secretary in the Office of Partnership and Engagement at DHS, serving as a kind of liaison between local law enforcement and the federal agency.

This would be a remarkable position for someone long affiliated with Richard Mack’s extremist Patriot organization, the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association, to hold. Among the core tenets of CSPOA dogma is the far-right “constitutionalist” belief that sheriffs represent the highest law of the land, and are capable of overturning or ignoring federal laws within their own jurisdictions. Moreover, Clarke's history of incendiary remarks includes his advocacy of "a second American revolution."


They would have to get up pretty early in the morning to be more extreme or violent than the resistance.


The resistance hasn't shot anyone during a demonstration:

Barbosa added that they “created a situation designed to allow Elizabeth Hokoana to shoot the victim in the middle of an extremely crowded event under the guise of defending herself or her husband.”

In a probable-cause statement by a University of Washington police officer, Marc Hokoana messaged a friend on Facebook the day before Yiannopoulos was scheduled to talk and said he “can’t wait for tomorrow.” In the message, obtained by a search warrant, he wrote: “I’m going to the Milo event and if the snowflakes get out off hand I’m just going to wade through their ranks and start cracking skulls.”


I think the very few events that have escalated into violence have involved misjudgments by the leftists involved. The Brownshirts did exactly this in the early days of Hitler: They invaded peoples' neighborhoods with the intention of providing violence, which they got, and from which they made a guy named Horst Wessel a martyr. It was a mistake when the leftists rose to that bait in Germany and it was a mistake here, too.

That didn't make the Nazis right, and that doesn't make the new Fascists right, either, just good at violence. They aren't stupid, just Evil. As George Bernard Shaw once said, "Anarchism is a game at which the police can beat you." That's not exactly on point, but it's still relevant, especially read with this article by Susan McWilliams, which is relevant, too: This Political Theorist Predicted the Rise of Trumpism. His Name Was Hunter S. Thompson. If it comes to open violence against the radical right, even in legitimate self-defense, even if my side wins, it'll be a loss. The price will be too high, which won't stop it, and I guess shouldn't, if the alternative is living under actual fascism, because that price is also too high.

My thought is to do everything within reason to get in Trump's way and slow him down and stall for time and hope the next two elections are free and fair and that people stay angry enough to vote, because if this goes past 2020, it's not going to stop without making the Civil War look like a skirmish.

And if we win? I'm not sure how to make things better. I'm not sure the rot hasn't set in badly enough that the house can't be fixed, but I'm not up for burning it down, either. It's a rare time when I don't have some idea about how to go forward politically, but at this point, I'm stumped, because there's also this. From a writer I've been following for some time now:

Notes From an Emergency: Tech Feudalism

It's long and worth reading. Here's how it starts:

The good part about naming a talk in 2017 ‘Notes from an Emergency’ is that there are so many directions to take it.

The emergency I want to talk about is the rise of a vigorous ethnic nationalism in Europe and America. This nationalism makes skillful use of online tools, tools that we believed inherently promoted freedom, to advance an authoritarian agenda.

Depending on where you live, the rise of this new right wing might be nothing new. In the United States, our moment of shock came last November, with the election of Donald Trump.

The final outcome of that election was:

65.8 million for Clinton
63.0 million for Trump

This was the second time in sixteen years that the candidate with fewer votes won the American Presidency. There is a bug in the operating system of our democracy, one of the many ways that slavery still casts its shadow over American politics.

But however tenuously elected, Trump is in the White House, and our crisis has become your crisis. Not just because America is a superpower, or because the forces that brought Trump to power are gaining ground in Europe, but because the Internet is an American Internet.

Facebook is the dominant social network in Europe, with 349 million monthly active users. Google has something like 94% of market share for search in Germany. The servers of Europe are littered with the bodies of dead and dying social media sites. The few holdouts that still exist, like Xing, are being crushed by their American rivals.

In their online life, Europeans have become completely dependent on companies headquartered in the United States.

And so Trump is in charge in America, and America has all your data. This leaves you in a very exposed position. US residents enjoy some measure of legal protection against the American government. Even if you think our intelligence agencies are evil, they’re a lawful evil. They have to follow laws and procedures, and the people in those agencies take them seriously.

But there are no such protections for non-Americans outside the United States. The NSA would have to go to court to spy on me; they can spy on you anytime they feel like it.

This is an astonishing state of affairs. I can’t imagine a world where Europe would let itself become reliant on American cheese, or where Germans could only drink Coors Light.

In the past, Europe has shown that it’s capable of identifying a vital interest and moving to protect it. When American aerospace companies were on the point of driving foreign rivals out of business, European governments formed the Airbus consortium, which now successfully competes with Boeing.

A giant part of the EU budget goes to subsidize farming, not because farming is the best use of resources in a first-world economy, but because farms are important to national security, to the landscape, to national identity, social stability, and a shared sense of who we are.

But when it comes to the Internet, Europe doesn’t put up a fight. It has ceded the ground entirely to American corporations. And now those corporations have to deal with Trump. How hard do you think they’ll work to defend European interests?


I think she's too optimistic about the relative safety of Americans versus Europeans, but otherwise, well, as someone who once foolishly shared this belief in "online tools, tools that we believed inherently promoted freedom" and their ability to advance freedom and democracy, it's a hard picture to look at, yet one I recognize clearly.

I'm not thrilled with the state of the left just now. The analysis people are working from is very incomplete and outright wrong in a few places. Bad ideas take you to a bad place. I know you go to war with the army you have* and not the one you wish you had, but I'm not optimistic about this.

*I thought that quote from Donald Rumsfeld was quite intelligent, and I tried to rework it into "you fight a war with the opposition you have", meaning to fight against war, but I never could phrase it the way I wanted to.
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Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

Postby whatwouldcooleydo? » Sat May 20, 2017 7:51 pm

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whatwouldcooleydo? wrote:
Zip City wrote:Am I missing out on something? I watch/read news constantly and have no recollection of wild, violent "resistance" protestors causing widespread panic?


Ditto. Other than the well publicized Berkeley incidents, I wasn't aware that this was occurring all that often

On the other hand, what is occurring often is people being killed by the police, 453 this year as of two days ago (May 18 was the 138th day of the year).

http://killedbypolice.net/




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Postby John A Arkansawyer » Sat May 20, 2017 8:18 pm

On yet another hand, I find these two videos incredibly cheerful to watch:



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Postby John A Arkansawyer » Sat May 20, 2017 9:12 pm

One more excerpt from that article about David Clarke and I'm done for the night:

Attacking protesters who appeared at Trump rallies during the campaign, he told Tucker Carlson:

They only understand one thing, Tucker. And that is force. And I am talking about reasonable force by law enforcement. But I’m also talking about law-abiding citizens standing up for their constitutional right and not have their constitutional right trampled on at these rallies. I’m not encouraging them to start the fight, but I’m one of those that comes from the school, if the fight is inevitable, hit first, and hit hard.


After the initial, throat-clearing about “reasonable” force, Clarke explains that he believes that one must “hit first” if the a confrontation is “inevitable,” which — in his mind — is the natural state of political life. When protests broke out in New York and other cities after Trump’s election, Clarke raged that “temper tantrums from these radical anarchists must be quelled.”

In early October, when Trump appeared to be bound for defeat, he denounced the political system as rigged, while either literally or symbolically calling for insurrection. “It’s incredible that our institutions of gov, WH, Congress, DOJ, and big media are corrupt & all we do is bitch. Pitchforks and torches time.” The seeming contradiction between his extreme intolerance of political dissent and attribution of insurrectionary motives to his political opponents, along with his own use of revolutionary discourse, is well-explained by Clarke’s own thinking. Fascists view politics as an inevitably violent struggle in which normal bargaining and compromise are impossible.


The protesters at Trump rallies in March of 2016 weren't violent. They were just ordinary protesters. Trump riled his crowds up against them and, in some cases, incited them to use force against people who hadn't used force to protest. That was the moment Trump went for me from the best of a bad bunch of Republicans to a man who had to be defeated no matter what, because he was an incipient fascist. So is David Clarke.

I mean, seriously. This looks like some sort of military dude here, right?

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It's not. That's supposed to be a cop. Not a soldier, someone who if necessary kills people and blows things up in defense of the country (in theory--it usually doesn't work out that way), but a fellow civilian who works in law enforcement and is tasked with keeping order and saving lives. The two roles are entirely opposite to each other. Collapsing them as Clarke does is both Bad and Wrong, which adds up to Evil.
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Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

Postby Flea » Sat May 20, 2017 11:01 pm

I'm not sure how to feel about this.
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Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

Postby Smitty » Sun May 21, 2017 2:41 am

Cole Younger wrote:Lol. No problem. Yeah the whole telling people to be accepting and not violent etc and then essentially declaring war on the other "side" has worn thin with me. The same people who freaked out and called the Tea Party a dangerous mob and compared them to Nazis are on board with this bunch of miscreants who are actually a violent mob. I don't get too worked up by much but I really have had a belly full of these people. And by these people I mean the ones carrying out the violence and the ones cheering them on. I'm not talking about Democrats or liberals. Want Trump gone? I understand. But there is absolutely no excuse for that other stuff. Protest is totally legit. But the peaceful protestors should distance themselves from "the resistance".


There have been millions of peaceful protesters since Trump got elected and the only noteworthy " violent mob " were a group of 50-150 anarchists in Berkeley who were immediately disavowed by the organizers of the protest and actually had no direct connection to what's commonly understood and referred to as "the resistance", which is not an organization at all AFAIK but a self-bestowed moniker for anyone who opposes Trump and what he stands for.
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Postby 4sooner » Sun May 21, 2017 10:21 am

So I just saw our Sec Of State say we've "expressed our dismay" to the Turkish ambassador about the Turkish thugs beating American citizens.
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Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

Postby whatwouldcooleydo? » Sun May 21, 2017 5:03 pm

whatwouldcooleydo? wrote:
Zip City wrote:Am I missing out on something? I watch/read news constantly and have no recollection of wild, violent "resistance" protestors causing widespread panic?


Ditto. Other than the well publicized Berkeley incidents, I wasn't aware that this was occurring all that often

On the other hand, what is occurring often is people being killed by the police, 453 this year as of two days ago (May 18 was the 138th day of the year).

http://killedbypolice.net/


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Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

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I have no idea what's going on here with this orb, but whatever it is, it frightens the shit out of me :shock: :shock: :shock:

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Re: The Neverending Thread for Political Shit

Postby John A Arkansawyer » Sun May 21, 2017 8:16 pm

whatwouldcooleydo? wrote:Image

I have no idea what's going on here with this orb, but whatever it is, it frightens the shit out of me :shock: :shock: :shock:

HAIL HYDRA!


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