gang of four is the shit.

This is what I replied to Dime's query on another thread on 3DD

linkous wrote:

dime in the gutter wrote:good thread.




off topic...

linkous, do we have a post punk thread on 3dd? i'm asking.

Can't remember , but if not we should. I do seem to remember saying on some thread or other that there may be a difference of opinion over what post punk means in the UK and US. Post punk in the UK described bands such as PIL, Wire, Gang Of 4, Joy Division etc - bands who sounded a bit "weirder" and more off kilter than the 1234 garage rock of the punk bands, these bands and others also had a bit of a funkier element to their sound with emphasis on bass and drums. My impression of what post punk means in the US is that it is bands from the early 80's such as Black Flag, X, Dead Kennedys, Husker Du etc who initially stayed true to that frantic energy and thrash of the "original" punk bands of the mid to late 70's.

I could be miles off though in regards to my impression of US post punk.

dime in the gutter wrote:gang of four is the shit.

Small step for him
Big jump for me
Big jump for me
Big jump for me
Big jump for me

I've been on a massive Post-Punk kick going on about 2 months now and it's an incredibly fertile and diverse rabbit hole to plunge down. There is so much amazing music to mine from that time period/scene. To my way of thinking, I think linkous' definition/characterization of what post-punk is is pretty spot on. I've been listening to and reading up on the genre quite a bit lately, and many of the purists seem to define it as beginning with Public Image Limited in '78 and pretty much concluding around '82. Coming from an American perspective, I have a little looser definition/time frame for it. I think the coining of the term is most definitely a UK thing, but there is absolutely an American aspect to it. To my ears, pre-1978 bands like Television, Talking Heads, Suicide, Devo and Pere Ubu are part of the conversation. Other US bands that are significant players in the post-punk movement include XTC, The Feelies, Wipers and Mission of Burma. I'm on the fence with bands like the Minutemen (their early stuff is certainly post-punk in both time period and sound), Violent Femmes and Husker Du. I can be swayed either way. A few other American post-punk bands are James Chance & the Contortions, The Method Actors, Pylon, and Tuxedomoon. I know I am in the minority on my next point, but, after their self-titled debut, The Clash are a post-punk band. I'm not sure how one can or does classify The Jam. They sound post-punky to me, but they never to be part of the post-punk discussion. Another thing I have noticed about post-punk is the strong presence of female artists - The Raincoats, The Slits, Siouxsie & the Banshees, Young Marble Giants, Pylon, Marine Girls, The B 52's, early Blondie, Kleenex, Delta 5, Bush Tetras, and X-Ray Spex, to name a few. I see the widely-accepted post-punk giants as the following:

UK Division
Public Image Limited
The Fall
Gang of Four
Joy Division
Wire

US Division
Television
Talking Heads
Devo
Pere Ubu
Mission of Burma

Anyhow, that's my .02 on post-punk. In the meantime, feel free to enjoy this post-punk primer I put together on Spotify.

(Click image to link to Spotify playlist)

Welcome back dude Nice to see ya.

Swell Maps are a good band, and i am kinda surprised that Nikki Sudden's solo work doesn't get much love around these parts. there's a lot of it that i bet people would dig.

the slide work on this song still gives me chills. (if it doesn't play, the song i am referring to is Evangaline)
https://open.spotify.com/album/52drmBkLVS56PQtJNYj7is

What Clams said!

... I remember vaguely we have been touching on this subject in another thread before, and that linkous did not particularly agree with my loose "definition" including younger bands that were inspired by the first wave of punk but took a couple of more years before they came onto the scene in the early 80's. Some bands that would be labeled as Post Punk might also be labelled as New Wave. I find categorizing music extremely difficult, and if they are meant to describe the music only and not image, a scene linked to geographical origins in one form or another etc. (not saying they are) then lots of bands may belong in more that one category, from song to song, or album to album.

Any discussion of post-punk has to prominently feature Elvis

Pixies gotta be in there somewhere.

4sooner wrote:Pixies gotta be in there somewhere.

I haven't thought of Pixies as post punk.

Cortez, check out The Chameleons if you haven't already.


they should have been huge.

Some of these post-punk bands sound more like New Wave to me, Elvis Costello being Exhibit A. Oh, wait--I see RolandK already said that. Well, I think he's right. And I'd disagree with cortez's characterization of James Chance & the Contortions, as I'd always thought of them as part of the No Wave, whatever that was.

It's alive.

seems to me that "post punk" bands were better musicians that "punk" bands. they wanted the music to be noticed...punk was all about the aggressive and in your face. post punkers had that too, but they colored it with more virtuosity......and dance-ability.

certainly, an oversimplification.

gang of 4 and television guitar dudes were fucking fantastic. and if we are counting elvis costello, that dude can sure play.

fucking cortez.

or some shit like that.

two punk bands who had incredible drummers:

The Ruts
Buzzcocks

i don't think elvis costello was post punk. same era and locale but more of a supremely talented, traditional song and dance man. although he was a live wire force of fierce punk energy on stage.

to my ear.....

elvis costello was ripping off ray davies.

gang of four were ripping off dave davies.

not a small difference.

suck on that cortez. #teamdave



or some shit like that.

i hear rats riffage.

dime in the gutter wrote:i don't think elvis costello was post punk. same era and locale but more of a supremely talented, traditional song and dance man. although he was a live wire force of fierce punk energy on stage.

You can hear him trying on different styles in the pre-Stiff demos, just like you can hear Bruce doing it on the first two discs--especially the first--of Tracks.

dime in the gutter wrote:to my ear.....

elvis costello was ripping off ray davies.

gang of four were ripping off dave davies.

not a small difference.

suck on that cortez. #teamdave



or some shit like that.

I'm going to suggest that to one of the biggest Kinks and Gang of Four fans (not that he hates Elvis or anything) and see how far the pieces of his head scatter when it explodes.

dime in the gutter wrote:i don't think elvis costello was post punk. same era and locale but more of a supremely talented, traditional song and dance man. although he was a live wire force of fierce punk energy on stage.

to my ear.....

elvis costello was ripping off ray davies.

gang of four were ripping off dave davies.

not a small difference.

suck on that cortez. #teamdave



or some shit like that.

He fills his head with culture
He gives himself an ulcer

Yeah, yeah, yeah.... More importantly, who did Ian Curtis rip off?

dime in the gutter wrote:gang of four is the shit.

Troof.

this song is awesome.

a friend of mine (with a pretty deep musical knowledge, as he writes for a variety of publications) just posted this on facebook and i agree 100%

I am being totally biased, nostalgic, and selfish but also objective and factually accurate when I say that the independent rock-based music coming out of New Zealand starting in the 80s and 90's and continuing today is the greatest collective achievement of any sentient beings in the history of the universe.

i mean, listen to this guitar tone from 1980!!!

It's not all post-punk (although there is a good amount in there), but I came across this site that had 9 eclectic mixes from 1981. You can check it out here.

1 9 8 1 | Amplifier
01 The Embarrassment - Celebrity Art Party [3:06]
02 Minutemen - Straight Jacket [0:57]
03 The Replacements - Johnny's Gonna Die [3:24]
04 Flesh Eaters - Pray Til You Sweat [2:36]
05 Black Flag - Louie Louie [1:19]
06 Stiff Little Fingers - The Only One [4:18]
07 Mx-80 - Cover To Cover [2:42]
08 Meat Puppets - Big House [1:06]
09 Agent Orange - Too Young To Die [2:04]
10 The Saints - Paradise [Edit] [2:56]
11 Buzzcocks - I Look Alone [3:01]
12 Empire - All These Things [3:15]
13 Secret Hate - New Routines-Suicide [1:26]
14 The Gordons - Coalminers Song [5:43]
15 Virgin Prunes - Twenty Tens [2:27]
16 The Cramps - Green Fuz [2:06]
17 Minor Threat - Straight Edge [0:45]
18 100 Flowers - Reject Yourself [2:34]
19 The Undertones - Julie Ocean [1:46]
20 Bad Brains - Pay To Cum [1:30]
21 Flipper - Ha Ha Ha [2:13]
22 Mission of Burma - Fame and Fortune [3:35]
23 Gun Club - Goodbye Johnny [3:45]
24 Josef K - Crazy To Exist [2:57]
25 Swimming Pool Q's - Rat Bait [2:21]
26 Dead Kennedys - Nazi Punks Fuck Off [0:59]
27 Au Pairs - Love Song [2:52]
28 Wipers - When It's Over [6:36]
29 X - Adult Books [3:19]
30 Zoomers - Give Your Heart [2:13]

1 9 8 1 | Brain
01 Art Bears - Truth [2:55]
02 The Birthday Party - Cry [2:41]
03 Glenn Branca - Structure [3:04]
04 Klaus Nomi - The Twist [3:06]
05 Ex, The - Weapons for El Salvador [2:43]
06 Flying Lizards - Hands 2 Take [4:06]
07 Negativland - Dearmary [1:49]
08 New Age Steppers - Crazy Dreams & High Ideas [2:58]
09 Lemon Kittens - Kites [3:29]
10 Trio - Kummer [2:40]
11 Pere Ubu - Lonesome Cowboy Dave [1:52]
12 The Residents - Would We Be Alive [3:20]
13 Matt Johnson - The River Flows East In Spring [1:33]
14 Eyeless in Gaza - The Decoration [2:45]
15 Einstürzende Neubauten - Abstieg & Zerfall [4:28]
16 Fire Engines - Candyskin [2:54]
17 Section 25 - Hit [2:50]
18 Crass - Bata Motel [3:28]
19 Liaisons Dangereuses - Aperitif De La Mort [1:37]
20 Crash Course in Science - Factory Forehead [3:00]
21 Foetus - Thank Heaven for Push Button Phones [4:26]
22 Cabaret Voltaire - A Touch Of Evil [1:52]
23 Chrome - Planet Strike [2:25]
24 DNA - Blonde Red Head [1:52]
25 Clock DVA - 4 Hours [3:52]
26 Homosexuals - Nursery Chymes [2:40]
27 Wim Mertins - Multiple 12 [1:00]
28 This Heat - Makeshift Swahili [3:54]

1 9 8 1 | Cassette
01 Clean, The - Billy Two [2:22]
02 Fall, The - Lie Dream of a Casino Soul [3:09]
03 Dow Jones & The Industrials - Ladies With Appliances [2:22]
04 Ludus - Mutilate [2:33]
05 Nervous Gender - Fat Cow [2:37]
06 49 Americans - Love at first sight [1:23]
07 Plasticland - Office Skills [1:43]
08 Beakers, The - Four Steps Toward A Cultural Revolution [1:29]
09 Felt - Something Sends Me to Sleep [2:54]
10 Work - Duty [1:02]
11 Fall of Saigon - Blue Eyes [2:00]
12 Blackouts, The - Dead Man's Curve [3:26]
13 Scapa Flow - Somewhere [2:41]
14 Dancing Cigarettes - Mr Morse [1:23]
15 Amoebas In Chaos - Designer Genes [1:28]
16 Tall Dwarfs - All My Hollowness to You [2:20]
17 Monitor - Amphibious [3:04]
18 Dolphins - She Took a Long Cold Look [1:20]
19 Blue Orchids - Bad Education [2:28]
20 Watt, Ben - Departure [1:34]
21 Neonbabies - Profi [Edit] [3:20]
22 Voice Farm - AM City [Edit] [1:31]
23 Laughing Apple - Wouldn't You [2:16]
24 Social Climbers - Hello Texas [2:09]
25 Der Plan - Das Insekt [1:30]
26 Biting Tongues - Reflector [2:40]
27 Flux of Pink Indians - Sick Butchers [2:27]
28 Aztec Camera - Lost Outside The Tunnel [3:29]
29 Diagram Brothers - Bricks [2:43]
30 Human Switchboard - I Used to Believe in You [3:56]
31 Half Japanese - My Knowledge Was Wrong [0:55]
32 Television Personalities - This Angry Silence [2:38]
33 Philosophic Collage - Toxic Poppies [1:32]
34 Violent Femmes - Waiting For The Bus [Demo] [2:07]
35 Thick Pigeon - Silhouettes [3:23]

1 9 8 1 | Computer
01 Depeche Mode - Just Can't Get Enough [3:39]
02 Devo - Working In a Coal Mine [2:49]
03 Deutsch Amerikanische Freundschaft - Der Mussolini (Edit) [2:26]
04 Thomas Dolby - Europa & The Pirate Twins [3:21]
05 Associates - White Car in Germany (Edit) [3:28]
06 Eurythmics - Take Me To Your Heart [3:35]
07 Heaven 17 - The Height of the Fighting [3:00]
08 Plastics - Diamond Head [3:18]
09 Yello - Bostich (Edit) [2:11]
10 New Musik - Areas [1:02]
11 Human League - The Things that Dreams Are Made Of (Edit) [3:39]
12 Manuel Gottsching - E2 E4 (Excerpt) [1:50]
13 Duran Duran - Girls on Film [3:27]
14 Tuxedomoon - Incubus (Blue Suit) [3:46]
15 Gary Numan - Stories [3:10]
16 The Blue Nile - I Love This Life [3:46]
17 Chris & Cosey - This Is Me [2:55]
18 Moev - Cracked Mirror (Edit) [3:34]
19 Cybotron - Alleys Of Your Mind [3:32]
20 The Buggles - Blue Nylon [2:26]
21 Soft Cell - Tainted Love [2:38]
22 Cars - Shake It Up (Edit) [2:54]
23 Classix Nouveaux - 623 [2:25]
24 Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark - Sacred Heart [3:30]
25 Kraftwerk - Computer Love (Edit) [4:16]

1 9 8 1 | Convertible
01 Young Marble Giants - Final Day (1981) [1:43]
02 Orange Juice - Poor Old Soul (1981) [2:29]
03 Martha & The Muffins - This Is the Ice Age (1981) [4:06]
04 Altered Images - Happy Birthday (1981) [3:01]
05 The Church- Too Fast For You (1981) [3:33]
06 Scritti Politti - The Sweetest Girl (1981) [4:09]
07 Romeo Void - Myself To Myself (1981) [3:46]
08 Barracudas - Don't Let Go (1981) [3:28]
09 The dB's- Black and White (1981) [3:09]
10 Go-Go's - Our Lips Are Sealed (1981) [2:45]
11 Magazine - The Honeymoon Killers (1981) [3:39]
12 Suburbs - Spring Came (1981) [3:18]
13 Marine Girls - Tonight (1981) [1:22]
14 Pretenders - Message of Love (1981) [3:07]
15 Necessaries - More Real (1981) [2:48]
16 The Teardrop Explodes - Falling Down Around Me (1981) [3:08]
17 Squeeze - Is That Love (1981) [2:31]
18 The Go Betweens - Your Turn, My Turn (1981) [3:03]
19 Robyn Hitchcock - Love (1981) [4:34]
20 The Stranglers - Golden Brown (1981) [3:28]
21 The Ramones - It's Not My Place (1981) [3:23]
22 XTC - Respectable Street (1981) [3:40]
23 Pylon - Crazy (1981) [3:13]
24 Elvis Costello - Strict Time (1981) [2:42]
25 REM - Radio Free Europe (1981) [3:49]

1 9 8 1 | Feet
01 British Electronic Foundation - Rise of the East (1981) (2:50)
02 Bush Tetras - You Can't Be Funky (1981) (2:42)
03 Heaven 17 - We're Going To Live (Edit) (1981) (2:50)
04 Foxx, John - Europe After the Rain (1981) (4:01)
05 Dome - D-D-Bo (1981) (3:50)
06 23 Skidoo - Last Words (1981) (3:38)
07 ESG - UFO (1981) (2:55)
08 Gang of Four - What We All Want (1981) (4:58)
09 Rip Rig Panic - How Caged Bird (1981) (3:32)
10 Logic, Lora - Wonderful Offer (1981) (3:07)
11 Mekons - St Patrick's Day (1981) (2:36)
12 Newman, Colin - Alone (1981) (3:57)
13 Kraftwerk - Numbers (1981) (3:25)
14 Liquid Liquid - Zero Leg (1981) (2:31)
15 Massacre - Gate (1981) (2:37)
16 Family Fodder - Film Music (1981) (4:09)
17 Goat that Went Om - The Pirate Song (1981) (1:50)
18 Dif Juz - Diselt (1981) (2:39)
19 This Heat - Paper Hats (Edit) (1981) (5:24)
20 Trio - Danger Is (1981) (2:15)
21 Orchestral Manoeuvres In The Dark - The New Stone Age (1981) (3:22)
22 Pigbag - Sunny Day (Edit) (1981) (3:53)
23 Public Image Ltd - Flowers of Romance (1981) (2:51)
24 YMO - Light in Darkness (1981) (3:40)

1 9 8 1 | F i r e
01 A Certain Ratio - Waterline [3:36]
02 New Order - Chosen Time [4:07]
03 Fad Gadget - Make Room (Edit) [3:18]
04 Fun Boy Three - The Lunatics [3:12]
05 David Byrne - The Red House [3:22]
06 Creatures - But Not Them [3:20]
07 Raybeats - Calhoun Surf [1:53]
08 Suburbs - Tired of My Plans [3:33]
09 David Thomas - Crickets in the Flats [4:59]
10 Killing Joke - Butcher (Edit) [3:12]
11 Japan - Talking Drum [3:33]
12 The B-52's - Give Me Back My Man (Remix) (Edit) [3:04]
13 Lizzy Mercier-Descloux - Room Mate [2:44]
14 The Beat - Too Nice To Talk To [3:08]
15 Lounge Lizards - Do The Wrong Thing [2:39]
16 INXS - Stay Young [3:24]
17 Prince - Controversy [3:28]
18 Talking Heads - Houses in Motion (Edit) [2:51]
19 Bauhaus - Of Lillies & Remains (Edit) [2:51]
20 The Specials - Ghost Town (Edit) [3:47]
21 Tom Tom Club - Genius of Love [4:02]
22 Wire - Midnight Bahnhof Cafe (Edit) [2:38]
23 Family Fodder - Emergency [2:39]
24 Raincoats - Shouting Out Loud [4:54]

1 9 8 1 | Heart
01 Cure, The - All Cats Are Grey [5:24]
02 Passions - Alice's Song [3:13]
03 Depeche Mode - Any Second Now (Voices) [2:35]
04 Durutti Column - The Missing Boy [6:38]
05 Costello, Elvis & The Attractions - Gloomy Sunday [3:15]
06 MX-80 - Promise of Love [4:40]
07 Talking Heads - Once In A Lifetime (Edit) [3:22]
08 New Order - Doubts Even Here [4:20]
09 Shelley, Pete - It's Hard Enough Knowing (Edit) [2:50]
10 Sound, The - Winning [4:18]
11 Japan - Ghosts [4:34]
12 This Heat - A New Kind Of Water [5:02]
13 Raincoats - Only Loved At Night [3:30]
14 Gist - Love at First Sight [3:42]
15 Numan, Gary - Dance [2:45]
16 Psychedelic Furs - No Tears [3:16]
17 Gang of Four - Paralysed [3:23]
18 Orchestral Manoeuvres In The Dark - Romance Of The Telescope [3:19]
19 Ultravox - Rage In Eden [4:12]
20 Weekend - Nostalgia (Demo) [5:21]

1 9 8 1 | I c e
01 Holger Czukay - Fragrance (Edit) [3:16]
02 Jerry Harrison - Worlds In Collision [5:03]
03 Comsat Angels - Restless [3:16]
04 Selecter - Their Dream Goes On [3:42]
05 Gun Club - Promise Me [2:37]
06 ESG - You're No Good [3:12]
07 Siouxsie & The Banshees - Into the Light [4:15]
08 Laurie Anderson - O Superman [8:21]
09 Phew - Fragment (Edit) [2:37]
10 Honeymoon Killers - Histoire a Suivre [3:05]
11 The Del-Byzanteens - Girl's Imagination [6:44]
12 Was (Not Was) - Oh, Mr. Friction [3:32]
13 Brian Eno & David Byrne - A Secret Life [2:30]
14 Echo & The Bunnymen - All My Colours [4:03]
15 Material - Square Dance [4:27]
16 Ryuichi Sakamoto - Kachakuchane (Edit) [2:50]
17 Grace Jones - Nightclubbing [5:04]
18 The Slits - Earthbeat (Peel Session) (Edit) [5:44]
19 Robert Wyatt - Born Again Cretin [3:06]
20 Delta 5 - Different Fur [2:37]

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cortez the killer wrote:It's not all post-punk (although there is a good amount in there), but I came across this site that had 9 eclectic mixes from 1981. You can check it out here.

I am not the Arkansawyer who put that together, but I know him!

tinnitus photography wrote:Cortez, check out The Chameleons if you haven't already.


they should have been huge.

Incredible band and you ain't lying.

if you can find a copy, Mark Burgess published an auto-biography a few years back called A View From A Hill. there are an annoying amount of typos in it (couldn't someone proofread it?) but it's a very good read.

hey Cortez, you ever hear these guys?

tinnitus photography wrote:hey Cortez, you ever hear these guys?

I have not. I dig.

Preorder

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