Re: the Springsteen thread
Posted: Mon May 23, 2022 2:08 pm
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One listen in. Pretty much what one would expect, which is not a diss in any way. Clearly a labor of love, very tasteful, very professional and Bruce's vocals are mostly excellent and well matched to the songs. A few of the songs do just cry out for Clarence. Sigh. But as always with projects of this sort I wonder about the equity of it all. The album's been out for 4 days and already 2 songs have well over a million listens and the rest are all in 6 figures and that's just on spotify. I assume the songwriters will see some benefit but still, nothing for the original artists, etc etc. Life just ain't fair. I'm thinking maybe I should buy an album or 2 from the covered artists instead of this one but I have pretty much all of it already, some multiple times, so it's kind of confusing.
Tunnel of Love is essential. I think Magic is, too, but can understand how others might scoff at that opinion. I like several other post-BitUSA albums, but those two stand out the most for me.tinnitus photography wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 2:38 pmi don't think i've heard a Springsteen record after Born In The USA
For me it's Tunnel and The Rising.cortez the killer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 3:03 pmTunnel of Love is essential. I think Magic is, too, but can understand how others might scoff at that opinion. I like several other post-BitUSA albums, but those two stand out the most for me.tinnitus photography wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 2:38 pmi don't think i've heard a Springsteen record after Born In The USA
The Rising is a very strong record.brettac1 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 3:23 pmFor me it's Tunnel and The Rising.cortez the killer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 3:03 pmTunnel of Love is essential. I think Magic is, too, but can understand how others might scoff at that opinion. I like several other post-BitUSA albums, but those two stand out the most for me.tinnitus photography wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 2:38 pmi don't think i've heard a Springsteen record after Born In The USA
I heard a few tracks when they came out last month but haven't listened to the record. I'm generally not a fan of his vanity projects like Western Stars or the soul covers. Just give me some E Street.
I loved Western Stars, especially the video. I'd go see that in a reasonably sized venue. I've got a pretty good tickets for realistic cash for a show in February. Probably my last dance with the boss.cortez the killer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 2:35 pmThe album is solid, but that title track.... Damn, do I love it! On some days it might be my favorite Springsteen song.
In other words, "I did what I did, I meant to do it, no apologies, suck it, see you at the show"Q: It caused a bit of an uproar in the fan community because some of the tickets used dynamic prices, and some tickets hit $5,000. Did you know in advance about those price points and dynamic pricing, and do you have any regrets about that?
A: What I do is a very simple thing. I tell my guys, “Go out and see what everybody else is doing. Let’s charge a little less.” That’s generally the directions. They go out and set it up. For the past 49 years or however long we’ve been playing, we’ve pretty much been out there under market value. I’ve enjoyed that. It’s been great for the fans.
This time I told them, “Hey, we’re 73 years old. The guys are there. I want to do what everybody else is doing, my peers.” So that’s what happened. That’s what they did [laughs].
But ticket buying has gotten very confusing, not just for the fans, but for the artists also. And the bottom line is that most of our tickets are totally affordable. They’re in that affordable range. We have those tickets that are going to go for that [higher] price somewhere anyway. The ticket broker or someone is going to be taking that money. I’m going, “Hey, why shouldn’t that money go to the guys that are going to be up there sweating three hours a night for it?”
It created an opportunity for that to occur. And so at that point, we went for it. I know it was unpopular with some fans. But if there’s any complaints on the way out, you can have your money back.
To me it's not even as much about the cost as what an absolutely miserable shitshow the ticket buying "experience" is. Between the stupid presale codes, dynamic pricing, and resellers, it just sucks. I don't expect to see Bruce or someone of that ilk for $20, but I would like to have a fair opportunity to purchase face value tickets.Clams wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 4:30 pmhttps://www.rollingstone.com/music/musi ... 234632658/
In other words, "I did what I did, I meant to do it, no apologies, suck it, see you at the show"Q: It caused a bit of an uproar in the fan community because some of the tickets used dynamic prices, and some tickets hit $5,000. Did you know in advance about those price points and dynamic pricing, and do you have any regrets about that?
A: What I do is a very simple thing. I tell my guys, “Go out and see what everybody else is doing. Let’s charge a little less.” That’s generally the directions. They go out and set it up. For the past 49 years or however long we’ve been playing, we’ve pretty much been out there under market value. I’ve enjoyed that. It’s been great for the fans.
This time I told them, “Hey, we’re 73 years old. The guys are there. I want to do what everybody else is doing, my peers.” So that’s what happened. That’s what they did [laughs].
But ticket buying has gotten very confusing, not just for the fans, but for the artists also. And the bottom line is that most of our tickets are totally affordable. They’re in that affordable range. We have those tickets that are going to go for that [higher] price somewhere anyway. The ticket broker or someone is going to be taking that money. I’m going, “Hey, why shouldn’t that money go to the guys that are going to be up there sweating three hours a night for it?”
It created an opportunity for that to occur. And so at that point, we went for it. I know it was unpopular with some fans. But if there’s any complaints on the way out, you can have your money back.
which ticket seller do you think could have handled that traffic? wasn't something like 2 million tickets sold in one day? and that's SOLD, not trying to buy.beantownbubba wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 5:50 pmDid y'all notice that Taylor Swift broke Ticketmaster? There is no end to their unique combination of greed and incompetence.
that's the rub... until sales actually go live, no one actually knows what the true face value of a given ticket should be. while i am not defending super high ticket prices, if that's what the market will bear why shouldn't the people responsible for the product get most of it, rather than some reseller who can program bots?brettac1 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 12:10 pmTo me it's not even as much about the cost as what an absolutely miserable shitshow the ticket buying "experience" is. Between the stupid presale codes, dynamic pricing, and resellers, it just sucks. I don't expect to see Bruce or someone of that ilk for $20, but I would like to have a fair opportunity to purchase face value tickets.
It is hard to convey how vehemently I disagree with this. Ticketmaster is a lazy monopolist. We won't know how competitors might handle things until competition is feasible. Besides, one reason that Ticketmaster gets away with its bullshit is that their marketing is basically "trust us, we're the experts" so if you're the experts then be expert or shut the fuck up.tinnitus photography wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 3:26 pmwhich ticket seller do you think could have handled that traffic? wasn't something like 2 million tickets sold in one day? and that's SOLD, not trying to buy.beantownbubba wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 5:50 pmDid y'all notice that Taylor Swift broke Ticketmaster? There is no end to their unique combination of greed and incompetence.
most engineers wouldn't design something to withstand a 1000 year storm or flood.
Hate it when that happens! I'm not buying many tickets these days but I usually do ok. I pay attention to presales & such. I have 1 "advantage" in that I'm going for ADA seats. I would gladly give that up but its the only way I can go to shows. Also, these days I don't go for the gucci seats. I start getting real uncomfortable @$100. Even that I gotta think & budget real hard. For instance Buddy Guy is coming on his farewell tour. He's doing a theater shows & decent seats were $100. I think they went to $150. I was hesitating but my friend stepped up & got us tickets. Nice of her.tinnitus photography wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 8:16 pmcan show me another ticket broker that has the infrastructure scale of TM?
I bet for every live human clicking a mouse, there were a million bots doing their thing.
maybe i just haven't tried to use TM for shows w/ huge demand so my experiences aren't mirroring others. the only time i was pissed at TM was when i landed two pit tickets for Nick Cave and then they disappeared from my cart when i went to check out.
sorry to come back to this but i'm not sure what you mean here, btb. that the price is somehow manipulated by TM and it's not a true market price?beantownbubba wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 6:30 pmDo you seriously believe that their various markets reflect real transactions between real arms length people?
YES. That's exactly what I mean. And it's been proven. TM is known to have NOT to put some tickets on sale and then put them DIRECTLY on to their resale site as if they have been legitimately purchased and are being resold by arm's length customers. And that's just one scam that we know about.tinnitus photography wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 10:44 amsorry to come back to this but i'm not sure what you mean here, btb. that the price is somehow manipulated by TM and it's not a true market price?beantownbubba wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 6:30 pmDo you seriously believe that their various markets reflect real transactions between real arms length people?
Ummmm, tin, this is exactly my point. There is no competition so who knows how good or bad a job TM is doing? Why should we assume they're doing anything but maximizing profits in classic monopolist form, which almost always means underinvesting in R&D, technology and infrastructure and boosting prices? Neither of us know if TM invested Five Dollars or Five Billion Dollars in research and new technology but where would you put the over/under for a rapacious anti consumer monopolist? Or, put another way, I think we can safely assume that TM's current set up represents the FLOOR of what might be possible w/ real competition, not the ceiling.tinnitus photography wrote: ↑Mon Nov 21, 2022 8:16 pmcan show me another ticket broker that has the infrastructure scale of TM?