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Yet Another Flawed R&RHoF Ballot Omits Warren Zevon

Postby John A Arkansawyer » Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:48 am

I'm sure they'll clear this up over Jann Wenner's dead body. Speaking of which, this year actually has five simple, easy, obvious yeses:

Devo
Roxy Music
Todd Rundgren
MC 5
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
The Zombies

The hard part is which one to leave off.
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Re: Yet Another Flawed R&RHoF Ballot Omits Warren Zevon

Postby worrierking » Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:44 am

Jann Wenner's dead body


You had me excited there for a minute! ;)

I obviously support Zevon for the hall. When I visited a few years ago I saw some cool memorabilia from Zevon, including the original Lyric sheet for "Play it All Night Long."
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Postby pearlbeer » Tue Oct 09, 2018 11:50 am

John Prine isn't an obvious yes?
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Postby John A Arkansawyer » Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:28 pm

pearlbeer wrote:John Prine isn't an obvious yes?


He would be if I weren't old and senile. Yes. That's seven slam-dunks as far as I'm concerned. Except no Warren Zevon. So my old joke:

Q: Why is this year's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ballot like your haircut?
A: They are both invalid.
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Postby Zip City » Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:01 pm

I can't get worked up over this.
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Re: Yet Another Flawed R&RHoF Ballot Omits Warren Zevon

Postby John A Arkansawyer » Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:05 pm

Zip City wrote:I can't get worked up over this.


Look at it this way:

worrierking wrote:
Jann Wenner's dead body


You had me excited there for a minute! ;)


Does that help?
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Postby Zip City » Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:25 pm

I get that there are a lot of Zevon fans here, I’m just not among them. I don’t dislike him, he has just never been a guy I’ve pursued. My lack of history with his music means I don’t personally get mad about whatever this weird beef is with him and the HoF
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Re: Yet Another Flawed R&RHoF Ballot Omits Warren Zevon

Postby worrierking » Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:02 am

It's mostly a joke by now. It's fun to poke at Jann Wenner. I don't really care if Zevon gets in all that much. He probably gets as much publicity out of being the most obvious omission each year than he would if he actually got in.
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Postby whatwouldcooleydo? » Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:06 pm

worrierking wrote:It's mostly a joke by now. It's fun to poke at Jann Wenner. I don't really care if Zevon gets in all that much. He probably gets as much publicity out of being the most obvious omission each year than he would if he actually got in.


And I’m guessing he doesn’t give a shit one way or the other
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Re: Yet Another Flawed R&RHoF Ballot Omits Warren Zevon

Postby Flea » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:47 pm

whatwouldcooleydo? wrote:
worrierking wrote:It's mostly a joke by now. It's fun to poke at Jann Wenner. I don't really care if Zevon gets in all that much. He probably gets as much publicity out of being the most obvious omission each year than he would if he actually got in.


And I’m guessing he doesn’t give a shit one way or the other


I imagine he would not care even if he were among us. But the slight is petty and childish on Wenner's part. I understand they had issues - but should not disqualify Zevon from accolades.
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Postby whatwouldcooleydo? » Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:02 pm

I doubt Warren would even acknowledge, much less want to be included in, any HOF that has Journey and is likely about to have Def Leppard
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Postby pearlbeer » Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:14 am

whatwouldcooleydo? wrote:I doubt Warren would even acknowledge, much less want to be included in, any HOF that has Journey and is likely about to have Def Leppard


To be fair, the world of sugar pouring would be be much poorer without Def Leppard.
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Postby tinnitus photography » Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:40 pm

John A Arkansawyer wrote:I'm sure they'll clear this up over Jann Wenner's dead body. Speaking of which, this year actually has five simple, easy, obvious yeses:

Devo
Roxy Music
Todd Rundgren
MC 5
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
The Zombies

The hard part is which one to leave off.

you misspelled Kraftwerk
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Re: Yet Another Flawed R&RHoF Ballot Omits Warren Zevon

Postby tinnitus photography » Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:46 pm

worrierking wrote:It's mostly a joke by now. It's fun to poke at Jann Wenner. I don't really care if Zevon gets in all that much. He probably gets as much publicity out of being the most obvious omission each year than he would if he actually got in.


i would argue that Blue Oyster Cult is the most obvious omission.
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Postby whatwouldcooleydo? » Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:58 pm

tinnitus photography wrote:
worrierking wrote:It's mostly a joke by now. It's fun to poke at Jann Wenner. I don't really care if Zevon gets in all that much. He probably gets as much publicity out of being the most obvious omission each year than he would if he actually got in.


i would argue that Blue Oyster Cult is the most obvious omission.


That is most egregious
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Re: Yet Another Flawed R&RHoF Ballot Omits Warren Zevon

Postby Bill in CT » Thu Oct 11, 2018 2:20 pm

tinnitus photography wrote:
worrierking wrote:It's mostly a joke by now. It's fun to poke at Jann Wenner. I don't really care if Zevon gets in all that much. He probably gets as much publicity out of being the most obvious omission each year than he would if he actually got in.


i would argue that Blue Oyster Cult is the most obvious omission.

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Re: Yet Another Flawed R&RHoF Ballot Omits Warren Zevon

Postby Zip City » Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:52 pm

If Radiohead doesn't got in first ballot they might as well shut the place down
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Postby Cubfan06 » Fri Oct 12, 2018 10:20 am

Zip City wrote:If Radiohead doesn't got in first ballot they might as well shut the place down


Agreed and they didn't . Radiohead was on the ballot last year and got snubbed in lieu of Bon Jovi, Nina Simone, Sister Rosetta Thorpe, The Cars, Dire Straits, and The Moody Blues. An absolute travesty.

Dire Straits and The Moody Blues, okay. I'll give them that one. The Cars, even..em eh. But Bon Jovi and Nina Simone? I love the shit out of Nina Simone too. I love Warren Zevon as well and he deserved to get in long ago. His catalog is fantastic, but it pales in comparison to Radiohead's...as does his impact on the music of his time.
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Postby Cubfan06 » Fri Oct 12, 2018 10:27 am

tinnitus photography wrote:
John A Arkansawyer wrote:I'm sure they'll clear this up over Jann Wenner's dead body. Speaking of which, this year actually has five simple, easy, obvious yeses:

Devo
Roxy Music
Todd Rundgren
MC 5
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
The Zombies

The hard part is which one to leave off.

you misspelled Kraftwerk


No doubt.

Couldn't one make the argument that Devo (although highly underappreciated) is derivative of Kraftwerk?

Kraftwerk influenced so many artists, including Joy Division, Nine Inch Nails, Radiohead, EDM artists (Daft Punk, Chemical Brothers, the new generation) and Dr Dre (Thus indirectly the whole gangster rap genre)
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Postby Iowan » Fri Oct 12, 2018 10:29 am

Cubfan06 wrote:
Zip City wrote:If Radiohead doesn't got in first ballot they might as well shut the place down


Agreed and they didn't . Radiohead was on the ballot last year and got snubbed in lieu of Bon Jovi, Nina Simone, Sister Rosetta Thorpe, The Cars, Dire Straits, and The Moody Blues. An absolute travesty.

Dire Straits and The Moody Blues, okay. I'll give them that one. The Cars, even..em eh. But Bon Jovi and Nina Simone? I love the shit out of Nina Simone too. I love Warren Zevon as well and he deserved to get in long ago. His catalog is fantastic, but it pales in comparison to Radiohead's...as does his impact on the music of his time.


No.

I would agree with the statement after that. Radiohead has gotten a lot of mileage out of 2 brilliant albums.
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Re: Yet Another Flawed R&RHoF Ballot Omits Warren Zevon

Postby Cubfan06 » Fri Oct 12, 2018 10:52 am

Iowan wrote:
Cubfan06 wrote:
Zip City wrote:If Radiohead doesn't got in first ballot they might as well shut the place down


Agreed and they didn't . Radiohead was on the ballot last year and got snubbed in lieu of Bon Jovi, Nina Simone, Sister Rosetta Thorpe, The Cars, Dire Straits, and The Moody Blues. An absolute travesty.

Dire Straits and The Moody Blues, okay. I'll give them that one. The Cars, even..em eh. But Bon Jovi and Nina Simone? I love the shit out of Nina Simone too. I love Warren Zevon as well and he deserved to get in long ago. His catalog is fantastic, but it pales in comparison to Radiohead's...as does his impact on the music of his time.


No.

I would agree with the statement after that. Radiohead has gotten a lot of mileage out of 2 brilliant albums.


Oh bullocks.
The Bends, OK Computer, Kid A, and In Rainbows are all perfect albums. Hail To The Thief (my favorite RH album) and Moon Shaped Pool are really strong. King of Limbs took risks intending to be better live than in studio and succeeded in that regard.
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They have sold out arenas and stadiums for close to two decades, while having the most awkward and ugly front man in rock history (even uglier than Ric Ocasek). Rejecting magazine covers. Very little mainstream radio play. Meanwhile experiencing this success while continue to push their musical limits and turning the wheel in their sound from album to album. Every Radiohead album sounds drastically different than its predecessor with the only constant being Thom Yorke's voice.
Think about music in 1997 when OK Computer was released and think about how the influence of that album carried all of the way into the early aughts.
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Re: Yet Another Flawed R&RHoF Ballot Omits Warren Zevon

Postby Iowan » Fri Oct 12, 2018 1:51 pm

Cubfan06 wrote:
Oh bullocks.
The Bends, OK Computer, Kid A, and In Rainbows are all perfect albums. Hail To The Thief (my favorite RH album) and Moon Shaped Pool are really strong. King of Limbs took risks intending to be better live than in studio and succeeded in that regard.
I don't really return to Pablo Honey, although it yielded a mega-hit song that everyone here knows every word to.

They have sold out arenas and stadiums for close to two decades, while having the most awkward and ugly front man in rock history (even uglier than Ric Ocasek). Rejecting magazine covers. Very little mainstream radio play. Meanwhile experiencing this success while continue to push their musical limits and turning the wheel in their sound from album to album. Every Radiohead album sounds drastically different than its predecessor with the only constant being Thom Yorke's voice.
Think about music in 1997 when OK Computer was released and think about how the influence of that album carried all of the way into the early aughts.


I agree that they were more influential and important. I don't agree that Zevon's catalog pales in comparison. From a songwriting standpoint, Thom Yorke is not on Warren Zevon's level, IMO.
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Re: Yet Another Flawed R&RHoF Ballot Omits Warren Zevon

Postby Zip City » Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:35 pm

This always comes back around to what you think the criteria for induction should be. I see a lot of bands/artists mentioned on this board (and others) who, while often brilliant in what they do, don't check enough boxes for me (in terms of influence, success, longevity, etc.)

It's hard to argue against Radiohead when it comes to "box checking". Zevon checks a lot of boxes as well. It starts getting dicey when it comes to the Devos and Roxy Musics of the world
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