The Shonna Tucker Miscellany Thread

[26 Mile Drive]

Listened to the show....her voice goes in and out. On record she sounds like and angel, live , not so much(IMO). That Strawberry wine closer is pretty cool though, hadn't heard that song in FOREVER! She sounds great on that, and always loved her live on The Hold Steady's "Chillout Tent" and always thought her Trucker songs were enjoyable. No comment about the Twitter war or whatever, they just sold out the Music Farm and prob every other show this tour without her and would of done the same with her.....Still fans of both, See Yall in ATL.

[gepman]

Tweeted yesterday...

Shonna Tucker ‏ @ShonnaTucker
Have I mentioned how much I love to play NOT tuned down to D!!! Sounds nice!

And the hits just keep coming...

[Cubfan06]

Tweeted yesterday...

Shonna Tucker ‏ @ShonnaTucker
Have I mentioned how much I love to play NOT tuned down to D!!! Sounds nice!

And the hits just keep coming...

Now it is just turning into sour grapes. If it wasn't for DBT, the name Shonna Tucker likely would never have been relavent in the music world.

[Duke Silver]

Tweeted yesterday...

Shonna Tucker ‏ @ShonnaTucker
Have I mentioned how much I love to play NOT tuned down to D!!! Sounds nice!

And the hits just keep coming...

Now it is just turning into sour grapes. If it wasn't for DBT, the name Shonna Tucker likely would never have been relavent in the music world.

Shonna's bass tuned to E: the sound of one hand clapping, a tree falling in the forest, etc.

[Iowan]

Tweeted yesterday...

Shonna Tucker ‏ @ShonnaTucker
Have I mentioned how much I love to play NOT tuned down to D!!! Sounds nice!

And the hits just keep coming...

Now it is just turning into sour grapes. If it wasn't for DBT, the name Shonna Tucker likely would never have been relavent in the music world.

I would have to agree fully. Talk about biting the hand that fed you.

[Sub]

It is probably nice to branch out in new directions, rather then trying to fit the sound of a band.

[Iowan]

It is probably nice to branch out in new directions, rather then trying to fit the sound of a band.

I have no doubt of that, but it seems like everything she puts out these days is a backhanded dig at DBT.

She could have said something like "Really enjoying the opportunity to take control of my musical stylings and pushing them exactly where I want them". Instead she made that point by making an obvious dig at her old band. The irony of course being the fact that no one would give 2 shits about who she was as an artist without that old band.

She seems to be taking a really immature public stance regarding the split, and it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. DBT hasn't returned this favor to her. I'm sure they could make plenty of digs if they wanted to, but they're (at least publicly) taking the high road. Look at Jason. He seems to have absolutely no filter whatsoever, but how often is he blasting DBT on Twitter? Never. It really makes Shonna look like a small person to me.

[Zip City]

I should stop visiting this thread. It's making me dislike a musician I previously liked.

[boyyourself]

Have I mentioned how nice it is to NOT have to suffer through her songs at a show? Have I mentioned that having to skip every single one of your songs when I am listening to dbt albums is pain in my ass?

[Jeremy]

Look at Jason. He seems to have absolutely no filter whatsoever, but how often is he blasting DBT on Twitter? Never.

Well, had twitter been around and had Jason had an outlet to spout off about things, I think that Jason would have had plenty to say and plenty to trash when it came to DBT. He doesn't do it now because time heals many things. But I remember a picture on his myspace, jeez does anyone even use that anymore, of him flipping off the camera with a flyer for his album. Jason and Patterson did not get along, so I am sure that he would have had some choice things to say regarding Patterson had twitter been around back then( not sure when twitter started so may have beena round then, but he wasnt on it and not many used it) But he did move on and I am not aware of any songs he wrote directed at Patterson. Its a different time and there is a consistent public outlet for every little dig/emotion/inside joke/feeling you have. Maybe she needs to write a record about how much of a dick Patterson was and how much she was screwed by DBT to get it out of her system and than she can move on to a successful career, but if she is holding on to this shit for years to come than 10 years from now we will be asking what happened to that chick that used to play bass for DBT.

*Found the picture

Maybe being pissed off is good motivation for Shonna to write some new material. DBT is Patterson's baby, she was in the band for 10 years and she should have known that. I enjoyed Shonna's playing and her back up vocals and her presence in the band much more than her songs, much more. They may fit somewhere but I don't think they fit with the Truckers. Was excited for her to sing when I heard her on rolling stone, not so much when I heard her on BTCD. And live, she was either out of tune, too far back from the mic, too shy or the mic was turned down too far, but her songs were always kind of a buzz kill during a live show. I can honestly say that I enjoy DBT shows a ton more when only Patterson and Cooley are singing even though I love Jason and Shonna a ton. Best thing ever for Jason was leaving the truckers, maybe the same will be said for Shonna. But again, Patterson's hard work, vision, personality and life experiences is what makes DBT what it is and he is the unofficial official front man, don't like it than hit the road.

Good Luck Shonna, ill grab your album when it comes out and see you live if you venture to my area. Like a player that leaves your team during free agency or is traded, if they take the high road than that player will be respected by those fans, but if they leave and turn around and trash the team you love, no matter what the truth was you basically say "hell with em".

[olwiggum]

Whatever happened between Jason and Patterson may not have been pretty, but it wasn't ugly enough for Jason to stop playing "The Assassin" at his shows. I remember when he posted that photo, but not very long after that (maybe only a month or two), he was still playing that song at his shows and introducing it as a song that his friend Patterson wrote.

[Clams]

Well said, jeremy. I agree with just about every word.

[Cubfan06]

Whatever happened between Jason and Patterson may not have been pretty, but it wasn't ugly enough for Jason to stop playing "The Assassin" at his shows. I remember when he posted that photo, but not very long after that (maybe only a month or two), he was still playing that song at his shows and introducing it as a song that his friend Patterson wrote.

I saw Jason at the Beat Kitchen in Chicago the same month that the photo came out and he played The Assasin that night.

[rlipps]

Jason's photo was posted pretty much immediately after it was announced he was no longer in DBT, while the wound was still fresh. After a few days, I never really heard him say anything disparaging. Shonna's tweets seemed more thought out and they are still ongoing several months after the fact. That's the biggest difference I see. Jason got over it and moved on, but it seems she can't quite let go.

[PeterJ]

I feel really bad for Neff who clearly is in a fucked up position.

[Smitty]

I don't see anything wrong about her saying she's glad she doesn't have to tune down anymore.

[Lone Wolf1]

I don't see anything wrong about her saying she's glad she doesn't have to tune down anymore.

me either. much ado 'bout nothin'

[Jeremy]

Whatever happened between Jason and Patterson may not have been pretty, but it wasn't ugly enough for Jason to stop playing "The Assassin" at his shows. I remember when he posted that photo, but not very long after that (maybe only a month or two), he was still playing that song at his shows and introducing it as a song that his friend Patterson wrote.

Yeah I forgot about that too. I loved his version of The Assassin. I do remember seeing him live 3-4 months later chuckling when he did refer to Patterson as his friend, and my wife and I wondering if he said that just because the room was full of DBT fans. Jason was pretty young back then too. But the way he uses twitter I could imagine him letting out some drunken late night snyde remarks. I actually thought the picture was funny as shit.

I don't see anything wrong about her saying she's glad she doesn't have to tune down anymore.

Not what you say but how you say it kind of thing, think someone actually did say that in an earlier post.

[RevMatt]

This whole tawdry episode bothers me and is a good argument for keeping your favorite musicians at arm's length. I like everything about Shonna as as musician. I really do. Her bass playing is top notch. I rate her as one of the best bass players in the world. Her singing ain't bad either. I like about fifty percent of her songs. I am excited that she has formed a band and will be putting out an album. I will support her career and show up when she plays a club near me.

HOWEVER, just move on. Everybody gets fired from a job at some point in their life. It is never pretty. You never feel good about it. You always want some sort of vindication. But part of growing up is learning that you will never get a public apology. The best approach is to take the high road, move onto something else and be successful.

Fifteen years from now there is a very strong possibility that the critical consensus will be that Drive By Truckers best years were when Shonna Tucker was in the band and that her leaving is akin to The Stones losing Wyman. In the meantime, that time has to pass. Don't spend it bad mouthing everybody. That just makes you look small even if you are in the right. Instead, have a career. The DBT fans are behind you.

[Smitty]

I don't see anything wrong about her saying she's glad she doesn't have to tune down anymore.

Not what you say but how you say it kind of thing, think someone actually did say that in an earlier post.

Even how she said it was pretty harmless. I'm really down on Shonna about many of the things she did say, but this one is stretching a lil. Even Jason bitched about "those rednecks with their crazy tunings" (albeit good-naturedly) in a solo show while he was in DBT.

[Kudzu Guillotine]

I rate her as one of the best bass players in the world.

Really? I don't hear it myself but I also don't think Jason Isbell is on the same level as Townes Van Zandt as a songwriter or that the success of Alabama Shakes is even remotely close to a "Nevermind moment". Is she a good bass player? Yes but one of the best in the world? Far from it, at least to my ears.

[RevMatt]

I rate her as one of the best bass players in the world.

Really? I don't hear it myself but I also don't think Jason Isbell is on the same level as Townes Van Zandt as a songwriter or that the success of Alabama Shakes is even remotely close to a "Nevermind moment". Is she a good bass player? Yes but one of the best in the world? Far from it, at least to my ears.

Then we have to just agree to disagree.

I think she is one of the best players out there based on her versatility and overall feel. She can go from a total hard rock riff like "Lookout Mountain" to a soul groove like "Everybody Needs Love". Not many people can do that. I also rank Brad Morgan VERY highly as a drummer, so much that I mentioned him to Maureen Tucker. But I do have a bias. When I judge a rhythm section I don't go by a bass players ability to play tons of notes and licks or a drummer's ability to play like Neil Peart. I go by the overall groove and feel. To me, the essence of rock and roll is the groove provided by a rhythm guitarist, bassist and drummer. That is why I think The Stones were better than Cream, The Velvets better than The Mothers and Crazy Horse better than The Allmans. Of course all of this is subjective and most people would disagree with me on all three bands (and I love Cream, Zappa and The Allmans). Great vocalists and great guitar soloists are fantastic but if the groove is not underneath it is all for naught. On the other hand, a great rhythm section can carry a guitarist who plays relatively simple riffs, leads and solos. Creedence Clearwater Revival proved this. Hell, Johnny Cash and The Tennessee Two proved it a decade earlier. And don't even get me started on The Stooges.

[Swamp]

I don't see anything wrong about her saying she's glad she doesn't have to tune down anymore.

me either. much ado 'bout nothin'

I don't see what the fuss is about either.
But I do remember Jason saying it was nice not having a boss any more.
That had to be directed at Patterson

[Steve French]

certainly puts neff in a weird position.

I would have to imagine Neff was already in a strange position when his band booted his girl.

Today I learned that Shonna T and John N are a couple. No, really: I had no idea.

[Steve French]

I rate her as one of the best bass players in the world.

Really? I don't hear it myself but I also don't think Jason Isbell is on the same level as Townes Van Zandt as a songwriter or that the success of Alabama Shakes is even remotely close to a "Nevermind moment". Is she a good bass player? Yes but one of the best in the world? Far from it, at least to my ears.

Then we have to just agree to disagree.

I think she is one of the best players out there based on her versatility and overall feel. She can go from a total hard rock riff like "Lookout Mountain" to a soul groove like "Everybody Needs Love". Not many people can do that. I also rank Brad Morgan VERY highly as a drummer, so much that I mentioned him to Maureen Tucker. But I do have a bias. When I judge a rhythm section I don't go by a bass players ability to play tons of notes and licks or a drummer's ability to play like Neil Peart. I go by the overall groove and feel. To me, the essence of rock and roll is the groove provided by a rhythm guitarist, bassist and drummer. That is why I think The Stones were better than Cream, The Velvets better than The Mothers and Crazy Horse better than The Allmans. Of course all of this is subjective and most people would disagree with me on all three bands (and I love Cream, Zappa and The Allmans). Great vocalists and great guitar soloists are fantastic but if the groove is not underneath it is all for naught. On the other hand, a great rhythm section can carry a guitarist who plays relatively simple riffs, leads and solos. Creedence Clearwater Revival proved this. Hell, Johnny Cash and The Tennessee Two proved it a decade earlier. And don't even get me started on The Stooges.

No, start on the Stooges.

[Smitty]

I feel really bad for Neff who clearly is in a fucked up position.

I pray that this doesn't cause any rift between Neff & the rest of DBT... I would be crushed if Neff was no longer in the band, as much as I love Shonna that would be 100X worse loss in my book.

[Duke Silver]

Back on topic:

Jason Isbell
Ryan is trying to talk Young Jeezy into going to get donuts.

(Jason and Ryan Adams ran into Young Jeezy on the street in Oslo.)

[Duke Silver]

damn, wrong thread. oh well.

[Lone Wolf1]

I pray that this doesn't cause any rift between Neff & the rest of DBT... I would be crushed if Neff was no longer in the band, as much as I love Shonna that would be 100X worse loss in my book.[/quote]
i got a funny feelin' that DBT is breakin' up...

[Steve French]

I pray that this doesn't cause any rift between Neff & the rest of DBT... I would be crushed if Neff was no longer in the band, as much as I love Shonna that would be 100X worse loss in my book.

i got a funny feelin' that DBT is breakin' up...[/quote]

The key is Patterson/Cooley. Face it: anyone else (even EZB) is replaceable.