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“It was hard, writing a new record right now,” he said. “I’ve never really been given to having writer’s block. Cooley has, but we both struggled this time out, just trying to find a way to articulate how we feel at a time like this. What we ended up doing was basically record about an album and a half. So we’re putting out an album in January, and then we’ll be kind of finishing up the next record over the next year or so.

“The follow-up is not political. It’s a very personal record, maybe the most we’ve ever done. I’m excited about it all. I’m ready to go out as the primary season starts kicking up, to raise hell and be all in for any good we can do — we’re even thinking about trying to do voter registration drives and, as it gets closer to next fall, some other creative things in some swing states. We want to be all in. But my hope is, shortly after the election, we’ll release the other record and go out and do something different.
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Is it two records next year, or two in the next two?
Hold onto your hats. There’s a new record coming in time for 2020. And there may be another out by the end of the next year.
I mean, I’m cool with it either way. ;)

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uncle rickey wrote:Is it two records next year, or two in the next two?
Hold onto your hats. There’s a new record coming in time for 2020. And there may be another out by the end of the next year.
I mean, I’m cool with it either way. ;)
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The delay for this record seems interminable. I feel like I've been hearing some of the new songs for more than a year now at the Rock Shows.
Too big a gap since the last one, seems like they've lost the good momentum from American Band.
From the sounds of it, recent shows haven't exactly been full or close to selling out either.

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gepman wrote:The delay for this record seems interminable. I feel like I've been hearing some of the new songs for more than a year now at the Rock Shows.
Too big a gap since the last one, seems like they've lost the good momentum from American Band.
From the sounds of it, recent shows haven't exactly been full or close to selling out either.
I'm not too sure about that. The show in Charlotte this tour was packed. I will agree on one point, this album should have come out this Fall, 3.5 years between albums is a long time.

But I also have to wonder, are you suggesting people have stopped coming to shows because a new album hasn't been released yet? Are there really DBT fans that stop coming to shows if an album takes too long to come out?
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brett27295 wrote:Are there really DBT fans that stop coming to shows if an album takes too long to come out?
I'm sure there are. I don't know how many; I doubt it's an overwhelming number.
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brett27295 wrote:
gepman wrote:The delay for this record seems interminable. I feel like I've been hearing some of the new songs for more than a year now at the Rock Shows.
Too big a gap since the last one, seems like they've lost the good momentum from American Band.
From the sounds of it, recent shows haven't exactly been full or close to selling out either.
I'm not too sure about that. The show in Charlotte this tour was packed. I will agree on one point, this album should have come out this Fall, 3.5 years between albums is a long time.

But I also have to wonder, are you suggesting people have stopped coming to shows because a new album hasn't been released yet? Are there really DBT fans that stop coming to shows if an album takes too long to come out?
Yes, maybe, dunno, just seems from reading the board I've seen a lot of comments about crowd size...
Brooklyn: "attendance was disappointing - the room was barely half full" (still trying to grasp the need for 6 NYC shows in 2 weeks while skipping Philly/DC/Baltimore on that run)
Pittsburgh: "Not overly crowded on the floor, but certainly not sparse"
Rocky Mount: "Probably holds 400 to 500 hundred for a standing show. We probably had a couple 100 for The Truckers."
Mobile Night 1: "Decent crowd for a Tuesday night in Mobile"

Not trying to be a Negative Nelly, I just expect to see more "Sold Out" shows in some of these smaller venues.

Maybe I'm just pining for the 3 night sold out runs at the 930 Club...

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It has merit. I know I tend to get caught up in a new album and play it to death, want to see the band live, etc., but with too big of a gap, I move on to another album/band. Considering that DBT has played Columbus, Cincy and Cleveland exactly one time each since American Band was released (the most recent being July of 2018), momentum is pretty much at a stand still with the band in these parts

It's been 2 full years since they played Columbus, and I couldn't even get to that show.
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Zip City wrote:It has merit. I know I tend to get caught up in a new album and play it to death, want to see the band live, etc., but with too big of a gap, I move on to another album/band.
I'm talking specifically about DBT fans. Are you no longer interested in seeing the band because they haven't had an album out in 3 years? If they would have played Columbus last month do you think DBT area fans would have skipped the show because there isn't a new album out yet?

I'm not arguing that some shows were less than full, I'm trying to wrap my head around the idea that DBT fans aren't as interested in seeing DBT because it's been awhile since they put out an album. Not other bands and fans, DBT fans. If this is true none of us will have to sweat getting Homecoming tickets this year :lol:
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If they said right now. We are never recording new material than I would still buy tickets When I knew I could make it, I would still go to homecoming and I'd buy every remix they made. The music they have already made is such a big part of my life. I'm always going.
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I will go to DBT shows whether or not they have a new album out. I am always happy to hear new songs but it has no effect on whether or not I go to the shows.
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brett27295 wrote:
Zip City wrote:It has merit. I know I tend to get caught up in a new album and play it to death, want to see the band live, etc., but with too big of a gap, I move on to another album/band.
I'm talking specifically about DBT fans. Are you no longer interested in seeing the band because they haven't had an album out in 3 years? If they would have played Columbus last month do you think DBT area fans would have skipped the show because there isn't a new album out yet?

I'm not arguing that some shows were less than full, I'm trying to wrap my head around the idea that DBT fans aren't as interested in seeing DBT because it's been awhile since they put out an album. Not other bands and fans, DBT fans. If this is true none of us will have to sweat getting Homecoming tickets this year :lol:
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Zip City wrote:
brett27295 wrote:
Zip City wrote:It has merit. I know I tend to get caught up in a new album and play it to death, want to see the band live, etc., but with too big of a gap, I move on to another album/band.
I'm talking specifically about DBT fans. Are you no longer interested in seeing the band because they haven't had an album out in 3 years? If they would have played Columbus last month do you think DBT area fans would have skipped the show because there isn't a new album out yet?

I'm not arguing that some shows were less than full, I'm trying to wrap my head around the idea that DBT fans aren't as interested in seeing DBT because it's been awhile since they put out an album. Not other bands and fans, DBT fans. If this is true none of us will have to sweat getting Homecoming tickets this year :lol:
DBT fans in Ohio are not like DBT fans in the south.
I’m not sure I follow. Are you saying fans in Ohio don’t care about the band? Or are you saying that they wouldn’t buy tickets to a show if there wasn’t a new album out? If so no wonder the agency booking DBT skips the state so often.
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brett27295 wrote:are you suggesting people have stopped coming to shows because a new album hasn't been released yet? Are there really DBT fans that stop coming to shows if an album takes too long to come out?
More than one thing can be true at the same time:

I've been saying for a while now that it is a mistake to wait so long between albums. In light of the enormous respect and admiration I have for Patterson's business acumen, I find the delay both puzzling and worrisome. If there's a business that's more capricious, more "what have you done for me lately?" or more dependent on capitalizing on momentum than the music biz, I don't know what it is. Especially when the issue has not been a lack of new material or, for many months now, even a lack of new recorded material it's hard to understand why the band has chosen this this approach. But to state the obvious, none of us know all the facts and circumstances so we're really talking in the abstract here.

The DBT fan base is nothing if not rabid and devoted. The bulk of the core audience will attend any show within reason (geographic, financial, calendar) and even some that are not at all reasonable by any customary definition. The continuing rapid growth of the homecoming audience is just one example of heAthens' continued devotion. And after all, the motto/guiding principle of heAthens culture is "always go to the show" OTOH, I think a reduced touring schedule w/out new music really does reduce the audience to that core so that even generally enthusiastic areas will not always sell out the larger the gap between new records grows. The 6 nite Brooklyn run was a whole 'nother thing and I'd love to have access to inside info about how that audacious decision that I loved and worried about in equal measure was made and what the expectations for the shows were but I don't think it's particularly relevant to this discussion.

One of the things that distinguishes the DBT gestalt is that the band is still vital, still recording and releasing worthy new music long after most bands/artists have called it quits or have become parodies of themselves. Going to a DBT rock show is not the same as going to an Eric Clapton or Elton John or [insert name of band here] oldies show and that provides the band w/ some cred, gives fans the hill from which we can feel good about ourselves while looking down w/ disdain on the average fan of the average band and allows both the band and the fans to recruit new fans who perceive the band as "current". But obviously this requires new music. So far the band has split the difference by introducing new songs into the live shows but that's a 2 edged sword; it spices up the current shows and stirs interest among the already converted, but It may reduce excitement for a new release and it may reduce the typical shot of adrenaline that normally results from a new release.

The core DBT audience and the DBT rock show experience may not be unique but they are rare, so most of us will continue to show up and I think the overwhelming evidence is that we have been doing so for the past 3 years. But life continues to move on w/ or w/out us and inevitably things that could never compete for a fan's DBT dollar or mindshare at Time A will become more attractive at Time B if there's nothing new in between. Combined w/ the reduced ability to attract new fans that is the inevitable result of the lack of new material and the lack of buzz in the absence of new material, it's almost a law of physics that audiences will dwindle over inactive time. I think that at this exact moment in time DBT is resisting these forces better than most, but that can't go on forever. I guess the question is how close to forever 3.5 years is, but to me the answer should be why risk finding out?
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So yes? No? Honestly I had to tap out there lol
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brett27295 wrote:
Zip City wrote:
DBT fans in Ohio are not like DBT fans in the south.
I’m not sure I follow. Are you saying fans in Ohio don’t care about the band? Or are you saying that they wouldn’t buy tickets to a show if there wasn’t a new album out? If so no wonder the agency booking DBT skips the state so often.
I'm saying that at the Ohio shows I've been to, I have (for the most part) not seen the kind of "rabid and faithful" fan base that I hear about in the south. Sometimes people show up for shows, sometimes they're half full.

As such, a wide gap between albums will only decrease that audience size here (which may be why they've mostly chosen to skip the midwest on many of their tours)
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beantownbubba wrote:I've been saying for a while now that it is a mistake to wait so long between albums. In light of the enormous respect and admiration I have for Patterson's business acumen, I find the delay both puzzling and worrisome. If there's a business that's more capricious, more "what have you done for me lately?" or more dependent on capitalizing on momentum than the music biz, I don't know what it is. Especially when the issue has not been a lack of new material or, for many months now, even a lack of new recorded material it's hard to understand why the band has chosen this this approach. But to state the obvious, none of us know all the facts and circumstances so we're really talking in the abstract here.
I think it's hard, in troubled times and a difficult economy, for a political band to dodge becoming a Political Band. The former is what you are if you're a concerned citizen; the latter is if politics is your first concern. American Band was perfectly timed for the moment of a Hillary presidency. It was heartfelt and not strident, with the vital optimism of a better day ahead*. The rest, as they say, is history and, after what sounded like some difficulty with new songs--which is telling, as Patterson is ample in his writing and the songs seem to just burst out**--we got The Perilous Night, a concerned citizen's Political Song, and the new songs started coming again, both political and not, or so it seems on reading what he's said. When you have to write about certain thing, you have to write it or else, for certain people, and doubly so in certain times.

Patterson has said the next album is still political but from a more personal point of view, and the one after less political; if the material for the less political album had been there, I think it'd've been released first, and sooner. Two political albums in a row push you toward becoming a Political Band--which can be limiting--even if the second is less so than the first, but that's how the material came. Holding the second back until you have a more personal album to follow it with pretty quickly makes sense, given the options available. The only thing I can see that would have been a reasonable alternative would be mining or re-recording some of the older gems that haven't been released and putting that out. I think the material is there--The Distance, Blue Light Blues, The Kids Are Gonna Love it, Don't Be In Love Around Me--and maybe a cover or two to fill it out. But that's what bands do when they're out of gas; DBT is so not.
beantownbubba wrote:The 6 nite Brooklyn run was a whole 'nother thing and I'd love to have access to inside info about how that audacious decision that I loved and worried about in equal measure was made and what the expectations for the shows were but I don't think it's particularly relevant to this discussion.
I thought one three-night run was probably enough myself. Washington or Chicago might've liked one for themselves. On the other hand, if a venue makes the right offer, it's awful hard to say no.
beantownbubba wrote:So far the band has split the difference by introducing new songs into the live shows but that's a 2 edged sword; it spices up the current shows and stirs interest among the already converted, but It may reduce excitement for a new release and it may reduce the typical shot of adrenaline that normally results from a new release.
If we'd heard more than one new Cooley song, I'd put more weight on this, but I'm pretty anxious to hear what he's been holding back from this record.

*That wasn't my feeling about a Hillary presidency, but my politics are different from most people's. My optimism was about what came after she inevitably disillusioned people. But I was still buoyed by the idea of a fighter in the White House. Even if she wasn't going to fight for what I most wanted, she'd've been more effective than Obama in going up against the Republicans. Now it's the Trumpublican Party and all the calculations are different.

**They burst out in much the way you can be an overnight sensation after twenty-five years; there's a lot of labor, brains, and sweat underneath that veneer.
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The thing I worry about, is the songs on the new record are likely to have morphed into something different as a result of the continued playing of them live. Such that, I wonder if the recorded versions will pale in comparison to the more evolved versions we have been hearing live over the past several months (year)...I wonder if on some level, the band itself does not have these moments of "Man, wish we could record that one again...". As always, time will tell. All that said, I'll continue to go out of my way to see them, with or without new material. Long Live Rock!
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A guy I don't know--I think I don't know him--named Joe Mackey in the FBook group said this, which I think is brilliant and needs to be on a shirt or a poster or something:

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blessedcurse wrote:The thing I worry about, is the songs on the new record are likely to have morphed into something different as a result of the continued playing of them live. Such that, I wonder if the recorded versions will pale in comparison to the more evolved versions we have been hearing live over the past several months (year)...I wonder if on some level, the band itself does not have these moments of "Man, wish we could record that one again...". As always, time will tell. All that said, I'll continue to go out of my way to see them, with or without new material. Long Live Rock!
Yeah, I've wondered about this too. It's one reason the live album was so great: It caught a whole bunch of songs as the band was then playing them, which was noticeably different than the album versions of those songs. And of course hearing the ever evolving songs is yet one more reason to always go to the show.
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Ok My .02
For me, the Truckers and the show they put on used to be the most important thing. I would drive 6-7 hours just to see the show. As time went by, The show became more about the "whole " experience. Meaning the city the show is in, the heathens I know that will be there, and the show itself. I have been to somewhere in the area of 60-70 shows in many many places. Many of those places are kind of checked off the bucket list. Meaning for example, if there is a Trucker show in Macon(about 5 hours away for me) I now pass just because I have been there done that and there typically isn't a lot of Heathens I know there. I no longer get excited to drive 6- 7 hours to a venue I have seen. On top of that, I always go to homecoming which you know is a 4 day event at least. I enjoy Athens, I love seeing all the Heathens, the shows are excellent, but for me they are taking a bit of a back seat to the whole event. Nuci's Space, The smoking section at the 40 Watt(I don't even smoke), The meet up, the walk by conversations on the street, ETC are all things that add to the experience. Aside for Athens I now tend to hit shows that are more destinations for me, meaning more like an adventure. Seattle and Portland, an Arts festival in Sausulito, etc. Now none of this is the Truckers fault, it is just my evolution. I will say that when they do not have a record, they don't come to Jacksonville much. It has been a few years now. They have played in Tampa, Pensacola, Savannah, etc again all places have been and done for me and just don't excite me enough to take a day or two off work for. I still consider my self a huge Trucker fan and is you ask any of my friends they will say I am the biggest Trucker fan in the world, but for me it is now more about being a part of the Heathens and all that goes with it.

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bnzz wrote:Ok My .02
For me, the Truckers and the show they put on used to be the most important thing. I would drive 6-7 hours just to see the show. As time went by, The show became more about the "whole " experience. Meaning the city the show is in, the heathens I know that will be there, and the show itself. I have been to somewhere in the area of 60-70 shows in many many places. Many of those places are kind of checked off the bucket list. Meaning for example, if there is a Trucker show in Macon(about 5 hours away for me) I now pass just because I have been there done that and there typically isn't a lot of Heathens I know there. I no longer get excited to drive 6- 7 hours to a venue I have seen. On top of that, I always go to homecoming which you know is a 4 day event at least. I enjoy Athens, I love seeing all the Heathens, the shows are excellent, but for me they are taking a bit of a back seat to the whole event. Nuci's Space, The smoking section at the 40 Watt(I don't even smoke), The meet up, the walk by conversations on the street, ETC are all things that add to the experience. Aside for Athens I now tend to hit shows that are more destinations for me, meaning more like an adventure. Seattle and Portland, an Arts festival in Sausulito, etc. Now none of this is the Truckers fault, it is just my evolution. I will say that when they do not have a record, they don't come to Jacksonville much. It has been a few years now. They have played in Tampa, Pensacola, Savannah, etc again all places have been and done for me and just don't excite me enough to take a day or two off work for. I still consider my self a huge Trucker fan and is you ask any of my friends they will say I am the biggest Trucker fan in the world, but for me it is now more about being a part of the Heathens and all that goes with it.
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In Europe we tend to have to wait for a new album before we get a tour. It doesn't seem to have done the band any harm in the past, infact when they came over in 2017 they played and, I'm guessing, nearly sold out the Roundhouse in London, which is the biggest venue they've ever played in London. When they come back, hopefully next year, I'm guessing the crowds will still be there and most of the venues will sell out. The only issues they may have is if they play somewhere they haven't played for a while - not sure the last time they played in Germany or France.
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