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uncle rickey wrote:An "abomination"? Seriously? Maybe slow your roll a little.

For Patterson's unreleased songs, there's also Awaiting Resurrection, Billy Ringo in the Dark, Heroin Again, and Rosemary With a Bible and a Gun, all of which they've played in the past year, and there are others like Forged in Hell and Heaven Sent, Tough to Let Go, The Distance, etc. etc. which they've played relatively recently too. There are probably others I'm forgetting; who knows what will be on the album.
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Well maybe I should let it pass, but I mean it doesnt cost anything so why not, right? I have purposely avoided the new songs simply because I want the surprise factor when I listen to the record for the first time. I've decided that I don't like listening to it before hand. Weird but I guess I'm old school or whatever.

I love Slow Ride Argument. Pretty much impossible to avoid since they played it at Homecoming. I have only heard The Perilous Night like maybe twice and I just didn't care for it. I don't mean to put too sharp of a point on it but to me it sounds like an American Band outtake. Not all that interesting musically to me and it's ground that was well covered on American Band even if not specifically. Babies In Cages on the other hand, again played at Homecoming so no avoiding it, is a good song to me. Not Patterson's best or anything but definitely good.

I also hope this isn't another record filled with political songs. That hope has very little to nothing to do with whatever distance exists between me and the band politically. I don't care about that. I like American Band more than any of the three records that preceded it on the strength of the quality of the songs and the music which is what it is always about for me. But I'm with Iowan on what he said about angry political stuff whether it's comedy or music. It's easy to ride that horse too far. But thats not really a major deal either.

I personally just don't want the shows to be drenched in political outrage a la the early American Band shows. That just ain't my brand of beer regardless of what "direction" the political outrage originates from on the continuum. I stayed away from the shows that whole first year after the release of American Band simply because for me rock shows are supposed to be joyous occasions where you celebrate being alive with a bunch of other people who at the very least share that sentiment and the love of the music. To me all that rage dampens that considerably and it just isn't what I go to shows for. Just to be sure I missed out on it, I waited a little longer after the AB release than I thought was probably necessary. But it ain't up to me and they've never tried to make the same record twice so there I'll live in hope.
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Cole Younger wrote:Well maybe I should let it pass, but I mean it doesnt cost anything so why not, right? I have purposely avoided the new songs simply because I want the surprise factor when I listen to the record for the first time. I've decided that I don't like listening to it before hand. Weird but I guess I'm old school or whatever.
I get that, just like we didn't want to know our kid's sex before birth. (And now we still don't know the kid's gender. On the other hand, neither does the kid. Oh sweet mystery of life!) I didn't listen to leaks of American Band and I think I'm glad. Though I would go to a listening party. That'd be great fun! And I love hearing a new song live more than hearing it on record.
Cole Younger wrote:I love Slow Ride Argument. Pretty much impossible to avoid since they played it at Homecoming.
You missed out not making the Macon show where they premiered it! So glad that kid got that for a first show. I was singing along with that one all three times. And I think it will balance the new record lyrically. It's about rejecting anger, not letting it control you. That was a theme in Cooley's songs from American Band--"Men whose triggers pull their fingers/Men who'd rather fight than win" points in a lot of directions--but in this one, he's explicit.
Cole Younger wrote:I have only heard The Perilous Night like maybe twice and I just didn't care for it. I don't mean to put too sharp of a point on it but to me it sounds like an American Band outtake. Not all that interesting musically to me and it's ground that was well covered on American Band even if not specifically. Babies In Cages on the other hand, again played at Homecoming so no avoiding it, is a good song to me. Not Patterson's best or anything but definitely good.
I think you'll like the studio version of The Perilous Night better than the live version, but I could be wrong. Babies in Cages is a very good song to me. I've been singing that one walking around, just like I do Slow Ride Argument. Patterson stripped that song down to bare, hard language, no frills. Pablo Neruda famously wrote about mass murder by saying "and in the streets the blood of the children/ran simply, like children’s blood." After a certain point, metaphor and simile fail us, and the only thing left to compare children's blood to without dishonoring it, is children's blood. I think that's where that song comes from. Not Neruda (and not not Neruda either--I just don't know) necessarily, but the same unwillingness to gloss over horror with the tools of poetry other than precise observation and use of detail and the allusion to On The Beach.
Cole Younger wrote:I personally just don't want the shows to be drenched in political outrage a la the early American Band shows. That just ain't my brand of beer regardless of what "direction" the political outrage originates from on the continuum. I stayed away from the shows that whole first year after the release of American Band simply because for me rock shows are supposed to be joyous occasions where you celebrate being alive with a bunch of other people who at the very least share that sentiment and the love of the music. To me all that rage dampens that considerably and it just isn't what I go to shows for. Just to be sure I missed out on it, I waited a little longer after the AB release than I thought was probably necessary. But it ain't up to me and they've never tried to make the same record twice so there I'll live in hope.
I differ with you on that. After the election, I needed a show like that real bad. I don't want it every time, but that show at the Variety right after the election put the life in me when I needed it the worst. There was a lot of joyousness in it, too, but I also needed to be with angry people who weren't going to roll over and die. (I'm surprised at least one of the old people I go to church with didn't die over that election. I'd never seen some of them so set back on their heels. It was the sort of lesson I never liked getting, but did me some good, and I wish I saw some signs of it doing them some good, but I got my shit rubbed in my face mostly when I was young and my nose and my brain both were in better shape.) I'm a little envious you're able to let things slide off you I can't--I'd be a happier man--but it's not who I am. I could probably learn it--I think. I thought I could go back to higher math, too--but I don't think I want to.

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I could be wrong, but I don't think Perilous Night is on the new record anyway (I could be surprised the way I was with Thanksgiving Filter); regardless, it doesn't seem to have much in common sonically with the other new songs which run a gamut of different sounds, from heavy to more country-ish.

I don't get tempering your expectations when you haven't heard a single note. "Thoughts & Prayers" is killer and so is "21st Century USA" (which I think will be right up your alley, Cole). I actually am just not warming up to Babies in Cages which I didn't like at all at first but has evolved into a highlight of the live show.

I also must say I think American Band is as strong or stronger today than when it was released, so what do I know.
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The Perilous Night won't be on the new one.
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Smitty wrote:The Perilous Night won't be on the new one.
I'm not sad about that
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Smitty wrote:I don't get tempering your expectations when you haven't heard a single note.
I do. Cole is an actual conservative. ; -)
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I love Perilous Night. Especially the arrangement with the backing vocals.
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uncle rickey wrote:An "abomination"? Seriously? Maybe slow your roll a little.

For Patterson's unreleased songs, there's also Awaiting Resurrection, Billy Ringo in the Dark, Heroin Again, and Rosemary With a Bible and a Gun, all of which they've played in the past year, and there are others like Forged in Hell and Heaven Sent, Tough to Let Go, The Distance, etc. etc. which they've played relatively recently too. There are probably others I'm forgetting; who knows what will be on the album.
It's one of the worst songs I've ever heard and I'm not afraid to say that just because DBT is my favorite band. Appreciate and agree with the political sentiment but I find the tune to be a plodding mess musically, and lazy lyrically. There is absolutely no creativity in that song.

I totally forgot Heroin Again and Rosemary With a Bible and a Gun; I do really like those ones. Can't say I've heard Awaiting Resurrection or remember it. I just mentioned the ones I have heard a lot and I've seen pop up on set lists the most. I imagine those are likely candidates for the new album.

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Zip City wrote:
Smitty wrote:The Perilous Night won't be on the new one.
I'm not sad about that
Chalk me up as not a fan of that song.
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“Babies in Cages” isn’t one I’d ever really care to see Patterson play solo, but it turns into a nice little groover in the full-band arrangement. Matt does a lot for that tune.
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Mundane Mayhem wrote: Matt does a lot for that tune.
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Wow, some strong takes here. Especially from a few who’ve openingly admitted that haven’t heard any of the new songs. I guess I’ve heard 6-7 of the songs in Lucas’s list above and I like them all. As far as Babies in Cages being an abomination...well, I guess I like abominations lol. Loved it at the 40 Watt.
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My only concern with Babies in Cages is I feel like it may have a shelf life, which bothers me a little since I love the music and it's fantastic on stage----agree with everything Mundane said above.

I'd like to see Slow Ride Argument become every bit as much of a mainstay on stage as WWW and Zip City.
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RolanK wrote:I love Perilous Night. Especially the arrangement with the backing vocals.

As do I. It’s got a strong Clash vibe.

As far as Babies in Cages, I like that one a lot too and think it is interesting both lyrically and musically. Differing opinions are fine but ZUTM’s calling it an abomination is crazy. You don’t like it, that all well and good, but that sort of take only serves to inflame. If I recall, he doesn’t like What it Means either and I think those songs have some similarities
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Tequila Cowboy more or less wrote:Babies in Cages and What it Means have some similarities
They're both fairly bare tracks that force you to listen to the lyrics. I'll admit to a preference for screamers--after hearing Careless and Wednesday at Homecoming, I'm hoping real hard for at least one from Patterson this time around that hits like those--but those do what they are supposed to do.
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The lyrics to Perilous Night just kinda are what they are: a snapshot of a moment in history. I've come to expect a certain number of Patterson songs that are in this vein.

What I really don't like is the arrangement. I wish they would douse the piano in gasoline and light a match. I don't find a single song that has piano in it that makes the song better. The trade off from pedal steel to piano has been a major downgrade (IMO), and, yes, I understand that goes with a change in personnel.
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Zip City wrote:The lyrics to Perilous Night just kinda are what they are: a snapshot of a moment in history. I've come to expect a certain number of Patterson songs that are in this vein.

What I really don't like is the arrangement. I wish they would douse the piano in gasoline and light a match. I don't find a single song that has piano in it that makes the song better. The trade off from pedal steel to piano has been a major downgrade (IMO), and, yes, I understand that goes with a change in personnel.
I prefer the live versions (though it’s mostly disappeared from the set) to the 45. I was lucky enough to catch its live premier at the Orange Peel back in 2017 & loved it immediately. Sure it’s a snapshot in time, but then again so is CSNY’s Ohio, and I don’t think anyone knocks it because of that.

As for the piano, I get it. Now it doesn’t bother me, but I hated steel guitar in DBT songs with a passion. Especially live. So I’m assuming you dislike piano as much as I disliked that wretched steel guitar.
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brett27295 wrote:I hated steel guitar in DBT songs with a passion. Especially live.


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John A Arkansawyer wrote:
Tequila Cowboy more or less wrote:Babies in Cages and What it Means have some similarities
They're both fairly bare tracks that force you to listen to the lyrics. I'll admit to a preference for screamers--after hearing Careless and Wednesday at Homecoming, I'm hoping real hard for at least one from Patterson this time around that hits like those--but those do what they are supposed to do.
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RolanK wrote:
John A Arkansawyer wrote:
Tequila Cowboy more or less wrote:Babies in Cages and What it Means have some similarities
They're both fairly bare tracks that force you to listen to the lyrics. I'll admit to a preference for screamers--after hearing Careless and Wednesday at Homecoming, I'm hoping real hard for at least one from Patterson this time around that hits like those--but those do what they are supposed to do.
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Zip City wrote:I don't find a single song that has piano in it that makes the song better.
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Slipkid42 wrote:
Zip City wrote:I don't find a single song that has piano in it that makes the song better.
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I meant DBT songs, not the entire history of music
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Zip City wrote:
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Zip City wrote:I don't find a single song that has piano in it that makes the song better.
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I meant DBT songs, not the entire history of music
By "Layla", he meant "Pauline Hawkins". And if he didn't, he should have.
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Zip City wrote:
Slipkid42 wrote:
Zip City wrote:I don't find a single song that has piano in it that makes the song better.
Layla thinks you're wrong
I meant DBT songs, not the entire history of music
Oh, 'coz that was just my opening salvo. My reading comprehension has slipped a notch. Still think you're wrong though. As John A. succinctly points out Pauline & Grand Canyon both are enhanced by the keys. I fully appreciate Jay's magic fingers on the keys or strings. I do miss the pedal steel too, 'coz apparently that's why they never play Carl Perkins anymore..
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I miss the peddle steel on certain songs. I was never a fan of them adding it to songs where it just didn't belong. The way it bogged down WWW made me want to pull my hair out. It was frustrating to listen to.

As far as the piano, some songs I like it,some I don't.
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gonzo on lap steel......think ditch fire in the summer.

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Cole Younger wrote:I miss the peddle steel on certain songs. I was never a fan of them adding it to songs where it just didn't belong. The way it bogged down WWW made me want to pull my hair out. It was frustrating to listen to.
That’s a great point. I actually don’t mind the peddle steel on some of the studio songs. But I started seeing the band live in 2011 & it seemed like every other song featured the peddle steel and that’s probably where my hate for it began. And for me personally, I just don’t want to hear the peddle steel on a rock song. A few it worked, but most of the time I heard it live it didn’t.
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