Two Daughters and a Beautiful Wife - the end for RG.

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Two Daughters and a Beautiful Wife - the end for RG.

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The Virginia Department of Corrections executed Ricky Gray last night for the murders of the young Harvey girls. I say it's about damn time. I didn't know the Harvey family personally. But I know them. They were who we are. Real people. Working people. With families. With friends. With huge hearts full of love. With great minds working for a brighter future. So giving.
I've been stuck on the loss of the Harveys for a while here recently. If you stop and think about what they went through, it'll chill your soul. No one should ever have to endure the torture they endured. To hell with Ricky Gray. I have no forgiveness in my heart for him.

Shocked and horrified...everybody cried and cried.


When he reached the gates of heaven
He didn't understand
He knew that folks were coming over
Or was it all a dream?
Was it all a crazy dream?

He saw them playing there before him
What were they doing there?
It felt like home, It must be alright
Or is it just a dream?
Is it just a crazy dream?

Memories replay before him
All the tiny moments of his life
Laying round in bed on a Saturday morning
Two daughters and a wife
Two daughters and a beautiful wife

Meanwhile on Earth his friends came over
Shocked and horrified
Dolls and flowers at the storefront
Everybody cried
Everybody cried and cried

Is there vengeance up in heaven?
Are those things left behind?
Maybe everyday is Saturday morning
Two daughters and a wife
Two daughters and a beautiful wife
Two daughters and a beautiful wife

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But here's the question, and I mean this absolutely on the level, I'm not trying to make a point, be rhetorical or incite internet stupidity: Do you feel any better today than you did yesterday? Do the surviving family members?
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I think all Brian would have wanted was for us to remember him well



I was a big fan of his, and think Cakewalk is an amazing album. If you are not familiar and want to take a sobering look back, give this a listen
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beantownbubba wrote:But here's the question, and I mean this absolutely on the level, I'm not trying to make a point, be rhetorical or incite internet stupidity: Do you feel any better today than you did yesterday? Do the surviving family members?
From my end... I wouldn't expect to feel better. And I'm not really one for vengeance from the law. But I'm also not against the death penalty for guys like him any more than I'm against euthanizing rabid animals. I mostly feel numb to it one way or another. He did terrible things and not just to the Harveys, he had a decade to think it through and speak his peace and prepare for death, which he seemed to do at least to some extent, and now he's gone. I can recognize that he may have been a product of intense abuse and addiction to a terrible substance, and I would feel about the same had he been sentenced to life instead of death.

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lotusamerica wrote:
beantownbubba wrote:But here's the question, and I mean this absolutely on the level, I'm not trying to make a point, be rhetorical or incite internet stupidity: Do you feel any better today than you did yesterday? Do the surviving family members?
From my end... I wouldn't expect to feel better. And I'm not really one for vengeance from the law. But I'm also not against the death penalty for guys like him any more than I'm against euthanizing rabid animals. I mostly feel numb to it one way or another. He did terrible things and not just to the Harveys, he had a decade to think it through and speak his peace and prepare for death, which he seemed to do at least to some extent, and now he's gone. I can recognize that he may have been a product of intense abuse and addiction to a terrible substance, and I would feel about the same had he been sentenced to life instead of death.
Yeah. That's about right. Mostly numb. It's too horrible a crime to really want to save his life, and yet I don't feel good about the state killing people in cold blood in my name. When cops kill in the heat of the moment, that's potentially justifiable. What choice does one have when push comes to shove? But cold blood.

I'd like to save the death penalty for crimes against humanity. Society or the state or whatever you all it has enough more power than most any collection of individuals that it can afford to take guys like this and put them in cells forever, and enough advantage to treat them with mercy.* It's not an eye for an eye but it's not nothing, either. it's people who strike at that ability for organized humanity to be good, for society to make the world a better, kinder, safer place, those people I can see executing.

*John Barnes wrote a time-travel novel in which Crassus, conspiring against Julius Caesar, says they'll have to kill Caesar, that they can't treat him with the magnanimity and generosity with which he would probably treat them in defeat.
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I have struggled for years with how I feel on the subject of capital punishment. I think as I have matured in my years and have seen my family expand that I have come to the conclusion that in certain situations, the death penalty is needed. It will never bring the victim their loved one(s) back, but I would find it personally fulfilling to know that the individual that committed the act cannot do it to anyone again and that they will have no quality of living, as they are dead. In fact, I wouldn't have a problem if they expanded it to include more of society's heinous crimes (e.g. forced long-term kidnapping and rape (e.g. Arial Castro..even though he's dead) and repeat child abusers. Those people cannot be rehabilitated. Evidence shows they will go to prison for x-amount of years and do it (or something equally as terrible) again when they are released. The only way to ensure they do not do it again is either to keep them in a prison or to put them down. It's not a cheerful subject to talk about, but that's my two cents.

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Support for the death penalty is a mile wide and an inch deep. It's wrong, it's a sign of a weak and ill-informed society, but rejoice, we've got some great company in the death house, Iran, China ya know, all those evil terrorist nations.

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njMark wrote:Support for the death penalty is a mile wide and an inch deep. It's wrong, it's a sign of a weak and ill-informed society, but rejoice, we've got some great company in the death house, Iran, China ya know, all those evil terrorist nations.
I hear you bro. Are you familiar with this specific case? IMHO if there were ever a candidate for the death penalty it would be this guy.
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I have mixed feelings about the death penalty. It's wrong in most cases, but very right in certain others. It's like the old definition of pornography - I know it's appropriate when I see it. This guy in Virginia deserves it, just like that piece of shit church killer in South Carolina does.
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guitarmanmcs wrote:The only way to ensure they do not do it again is either to keep them in a prison or to put them down. It's not a cheerful subject to talk about, but that's my two cents.
Given the awesome power of the state as it currently exists in capital cases (both State and Federal), and the overwhelming evidence of innocent people being executed, I am totally OK with my tax dollars (and therefore my consent) going to locking those convicted of capital offenses away for their whole lives. Many are indeed irredeemable. But, repentance can and has come, even if it doesn't make up for their terrible crimes.

What's the Blackstone quotation? "It is better that ten guilty persons escape [death]than that one innocent suffer"?

It is most certainly an issue that fair-minded people disagree on. I absolutely get someone with all good intentions and deep thought and consideration coming to the other opinion.
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I'm sure we all know the song only discusses the family, so it's ironic that this thread is even here.

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