DBT track # 154 - Made Up English Oceans

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DBT track # 154 - Made Up English Oceans

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I think we need Rod Stewart to guest post here. Anyone know him?
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^^^The stories that you tell me are so hard to swallow.
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To this day I still don't get what the hell that Rod Stewart story has to do with the song (I understand the lyric refers to the story, but I don't see why it's there to begin with).

Then again, I can't get past the first line without getting confused, so....
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Zip City wrote:To this day I still don't get what the hell that Rod Stewart story has to do with the song (I understand the lyric refers to the story, but I don't see why it's there to begin with).


There's an interview with Cooley and Patterson on some news site where they explain. I'm sure it's posted in a thread somewhere here but it'd be like trying to find a needle in a haystack. Even then, Cooley probably doesn't elaborate on it a whole lot.

*Edited To Add

This isn't the interview I was thinking of but maybe it'll help explain it.

Video Premiere: The Drive-By Truckers, "Made Up English Oceans"

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Zip City wrote:To this day I still don't get what the hell that Rod Stewart story has to do with the song (I understand the lyric refers to the story, but I don't see why it's there to begin with).

Then again, I can't get past the first line without getting confused, so....


It's about the power of story and about how something repeated often enough becomes fact to some people. I think it's a brilliantly arcane reference that fits perfectly with the rest of the song. how many times back in the day did people bring up the Rod Stewart thing as if it were absolute fact despite the details getting crazier and crazier? They'll live it like it's Gospel and they'll quote it like it's scripture . The song is about gullibility and how easy the narrator finds it to manipulate people. This song is my favorite Cooley song in years. Just brilliant.
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Definetly one of Cooley's finest achievements in years, but imo that can be said for most of his contributions to this album. I have a hard time deciding which is my favourite Cooley tune on this one. I really like First Air of Autumn and Natural Light as well. Perhaps common for these three in terms of sonic "texture" and "mode" (in lack of better words) they kind venture out in new and unexpected territory.

One thing I remember when they played it live at the HC this year (can't remember if they did it both of the nights I was present or only one), they kind of extended the final part of the song with Cooley switching from accoustic to electric guitar towards the end. I really liked that as it gave the song a haunting quality, sort of. When I catched them againg on the UK tour they finished it more or less like the album version with Cooley on the accoustic throughout the song.
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Tequila Cowboy wrote:It's about the power of story and about how something repeated often enough becomes fact to some people. I think it's a brilliantly arcane reference that fits perfectly with the rest of the song. how many times back in the day did people bring up the Rod Stewart thing as if it were absolute fact despite the details getting crazier and crazier? They'll live it like it's Gospel and they'll quote it like it's scripture . The song is about gullibility and how easy the narrator finds it to manipulate people. This song is my favorite Cooley song in years. Just brilliant.

well done, makes total sense, TC. That gospel/scripture line is probably the most memorable lyric on the entire record.


RolanK wrote:One thing I remember when they played it live at the HC this year (can't remember if they did it both of the nights I was present or only one), they kind of extended the final part of the song with Cooley switching from accoustic to electric guitar towards the end. I really liked that as it gave the song a haunting quality, sort of. When I catched them againg on the UK tour they finished it more or less like the album version with Cooley on the accoustic throughout the song.

YES!
Who am I to question what Cooley does, but IMHO those versions where he switched guitars were much stronger. Check it here, it's track # 10, the electric comes in around 3:45.
http://southernshelter.com/2014/02/driv ... 014-02-13/


Zip City wrote:Then again, I can't get past the first line without getting confused, so....

I recall someone (who is obviously smarter than me) posting that the 6x9 lyric in the opening line is in reference to a jail cell


Now does anyone care to tackle that video???
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I can't think of anything good to say about the video.

Love the song, one of the best on the album- and live I'm always impressed that Cooley can spit out all the words properly. It's like one giant tounge twister! Love this line:

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My favorite version I've heard live was from the Greek Theater- I didn't see a recording on the archive but Willie's harmonica player sits in, they really opened up the intro. It had a great ambient type groove to it.
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Gaetzi wrote:I can't think of anything good to say about the video.


The director likes the visual similarity between the bedpost and the stair post and does some nice framing to show it off.
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as a relative DBT noobie, this might have been "the song" that hooked me... clams had pushed a lot of music my way, and I recall trying to decipher SRO during several long car rides... for some reason, it never worked, but when I heard about their new album EO, and heard this song, everything clicked... having grown up in the era of the Rod Stewart rumors, Phil Collins' "In the Air Tonight" analyses, and the sort, combined with the discussion in the EO Album Thread, this all just "worked".

glad to say that I now "get" SRO, and have been deep into the entire back catalog... however, in contrast to many old-timers on the tdd, this was my "gateway song"

all that said, hadn't seen the video before, and admit to being a little freaked out by Cooley's stare-down at the 2:33 mark
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I dig the hopped up western ballad, like Marty Robbins on meth.
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LBRod wrote:I dig the hopped up western ballad, like Marty Robbins on meth.

Agree. It has reminded me of the theme from The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly from the get go. And any song with claves in it is OK in my book.
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Markalanbishop wrote:
LBRod wrote:I dig the hopped up western ballad, like Marty Robbins on meth.

Agree. It has reminded me of the theme from The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly from the get go. And any song with claves in it is OK in my book.

It's always reminded me if Ghost Riders in the Sky.
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Clams wrote:
Markalanbishop wrote:
LBRod wrote:I dig the hopped up western ballad, like Marty Robbins on meth.

Agree. It has reminded me of the theme from The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly from the get go. And any song with claves in it is OK in my book.

It's always reminded me if Ghost Riders in the Sky.


Definitely that too.
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This is one where I love the lyrics, and am just "ok" with the music. It's fine, but not my favorite track from a sonic perspective.

I did really like it as an opener on the Spring tour, the hopped version is preferable to me.

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I think the music is every bit as good as the lyrics.
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I am with Iowan on this one. The lyrics are first rate, but the music has always sounded almost rushed to me. I have grown to accept the song musically, but I don't get excited about it at all. I guess this song should be filed under the "Why we love what we love" category.
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If you play guitar try to play this one. It might give you a new appreciation of the music.
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Tequila Cowboy wrote:If you play guitar try to play this one. It might give you a new appreciation of the music.


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I had been delaying saying this, but I guess i"m ready for the chastising to begin...

I generally prefer Cooley songs to Hood songs, but this one really doesn't do it for me. I appreciate the guitar playing, and do believe it showcases Cooley's talent, but on a sonic level, I just don't get it.

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I really like this song, the lyrics especially, both incredibly vivid and detailed.

Cooley references the KKK/Jimmy Carter incident on "It's Great to Be Alive", and I found the Washington Post article on it: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/ ... 4d83428bfa.

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