• English Oceans Discussion Thread

Posted: **Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:11 pm**

lotusamerica wrote:
beantownbubba wrote:

To me, the Atwater song stories are okay but they don't excite me so much. To each his/her own. They just seem like general, politically-specific observation songs. They don't make me care one way or another. Compare to Puttin' People on the Moon, a political song that makes me care a lot. Or to A Ghost to Most, a song with (seemingly at least) a lot of political references. Both of those songs personalize the issues - they mean something to the narrator. Neither of these songs seems to really matter much, though I do like the twitching on the floor bit quite a lot just because it makes me want to twitch and laugh. Musically, MUEO reminds me kind of a Spaghetti Western cross between Daddy's Cup and Cartoon Gold, both of which I like better.

Interesting point about the distance of the approach these songs take. I think that's right. Now that you made me think about it, I also think they works in part because of that. I think the actions described benefit from the amused irony of the narrators. Neither song is "PPOTM," I definitely agree w/ that too, but I think they're going for something else in these songs and I think they hit the target(s) they were aiming at. Having already quoted what I think is a very cool line from "Part of Him" I'll let Cooley ride this one home. Any song w/ a verse like this can play through my speakers anytime:

Only simple men can see the logic in whatever
smarter men can whittle down till you can fit it on a sticker
Get it stuck like mud and bugs to names that set the standard,
They’ll live it like it’s gospel and they’ll quote it like it’s scripture

Posted: **Tue Apr 29, 2014 11:42 pm**

Grand Canyon
Shit Shots Count
When He's Gone
Hearing Jimmy Loud
The Part Of Him
Made Up English Oceans
First Air Of Autumn
Hanging On
When Walter Went Crazy
Pauline Hawkins
Natural Light
Till He's Dead Or Rises
Primer Coat

Posted: **Wed Apr 30, 2014 8:47 am**

I can't do the ranking, I just can't. I love the whole record so much that I can't pick it apart that way. That being said Pauline Hawkins is my favorite on the record most days with Shit Shots Count usually coming in second. Hanging On, MUEO, When Walter Went Crazy and Primer Coat are all songs that sometimes make me reevaluate my top two.

Posted: **Wed Apr 30, 2014 10:46 am**

Tier 1 - All so good, could be interchangeable
Pauline Hawkins
Shit Shots Count
When Walter Went Crazy
Grand Canyon
Primer Coat
First Air Of Autumn
Hearing Jimmy Loud
Till He's Dead Or Rises
Natural Light
The Part Of Him

Tier 2 - still SO good
Made Up English Oceans
When He's Gone

Tier 3 - has become a skipper, even though it's pleasant
Hanging On

Posted: **Wed Apr 30, 2014 11:37 am**

Tequila Cowboy wrote:I can't do the ranking, I just can't. I love the whole record so much that I can't pick it apart that way.

Yeah, this is probably what i should have said.

Speaking of primer coat, i forgot to mention this: "He's staring through his own taillights and gathering speed." Oh man, how good is that? Or maybe I'm just old so it hits me just so, but damn!

Posted: **Wed Apr 30, 2014 7:22 pm**

TW_2.0 wrote:Tier 1 - All so good, could be interchangeable
Pauline Hawkins
Shit Shots Count
When Walter Went Crazy
Grand Canyon
Primer Coat
First Air Of Autumn
Hearing Jimmy Loud
Till He's Dead Or Rises
Natural Light
The Part Of Him

Tier 2 - still SO good
Made Up English Oceans
When He's Gone

Tier 3 - has become a skipper, even though it's pleasant
Hanging On

Damn. I'm almost in the same exact boat. Shit Shots and Primer Coat might be in a separate upper echelon. Might.

Posted: **Wed Apr 30, 2014 7:23 pm**

beantownbubba wrote:
Tequila Cowboy wrote:I can't do the ranking, I just can't. I love the whole record so much that I can't pick it apart that way.

Yeah, this is probably what i should have said.

Speaking of primer coat, i forgot to mention this: "He's staring through his own taillights and gathering speed." Oh man, how good is that? Or maybe I'm just old so it hits me just so, but damn!

I'm 28 and that line has given me a lump in my throat.

Posted: **Thu May 01, 2014 9:49 am**

Iowan wrote:
beantownbubba wrote:
Tequila Cowboy wrote:I can't do the ranking, I just can't. I love the whole record so much that I can't pick it apart that way.

Yeah, this is probably what i should have said.

Speaking of primer coat, i forgot to mention this: "He's staring through his own taillights and gathering speed." Oh man, how good is that? Or maybe I'm just old so it hits me just so, but damn!

I'm 28 and that line has given me a lump in my throat.

x2

Wisdom not lost on youth.

Posted: **Thu May 01, 2014 9:56 pm**

beantownbubba wrote:
Tequila Cowboy wrote:I can't do the ranking, I just can't. I love the whole record so much that I can't pick it apart that way.

Yeah, this is probably what i should have said.

Speaking of primer coat, i forgot to mention this: "He's staring through his own taillights and gathering speed." Oh man, how good is that? Or maybe I'm just old so it hits me just so, but damn!

No it has nothing to do with age bubba. That line hits me like a baseball bat between the eyes.

Posted: **Thu May 01, 2014 10:18 pm**

Hell Yeh
Shit Shots Count
Primer Coat
Grand Canyon
Pauline Hawkins
Hearing Jimmy Loud
Natural Light
Til He's Dead or Rises
When Walter Went Crazy

Yeh
First Air of Autumn
Hanging On
English Oceans

Meh
When He's Gone
The Part of Him

Posted: **Thu May 01, 2014 11:30 pm**

Shit Shots Count 8-)

When He's Gone

Primer Coat 8-)

Pauline Hawkins 8-)

Made Up English Oceans

The Part of Him 8-)

Hearing Jimmy Loud 8-)

Til He's Dead or Rises 8-)

Hanging On

Natural Light

When Walter Went Crazy

First Air of Autumn

Grand Canyon 8-)

>

Posted: **Thu May 01, 2014 11:53 pm**

Fuck Yeah
Primer Coat
Walter
Autumn
Natural Light

Shit Yeah
PH
SSC
PoH
MUEO
HJL
GC
THDoR

Hell Yeah
WHG
HO

Posted: **Fri May 02, 2014 11:44 am**

I think I may have jumped the gun a bit initially in saying that it's my favorite since Decoration Day, but a damn fine album nonetheless. As far as ranking goes (for the time being):

Primer Coat
First Air of Autumn
When Walter Went Crazy
Grand Canyon
Shit Shots
Part of Him
Natural Light
MUEO
When He's Gone
Pauline Hawkins
Hanging On
Hearing Jimmy Loud
Til He's Dead or Rises

Posted: **Fri May 02, 2014 10:05 pm**

Knock Ya Out
Pauline Hawkins
First Air of Autumn
Grand Canyon

Great
Shit Shots Count
Primer Coat
Made Up English Oceans
Hanging On
Natural Light
When Walter Went Crazy

Good
When He's Gone
Part of Him
Hearing Jimmy Loud
Til He's Dead (Or Rises)

Posted: **Sat May 03, 2014 4:04 pm**

I am clearly in the minority here, but Made Up English Oceans was the only song I absolutely loved the first time I heard it. It is still my favorite, on an album with many legit contenders. When He's Gone and Pauline Hawkins are probably my other most faved. Grand Canyon is a great song, but does not stand out above the rest like it does for so many around here. MUEO struck me like Eminence Front did the first time I heard it. Different than anything else they ever recorded. I was soooo glad Roger did not sing that after I first heard that amazing intro on EF. The only Who song with Kenny Jones that I love.

Posted: **Sat May 03, 2014 4:16 pm**

I'm diggin';
Grand Canyon
When Walter Went Crazy
Primer Coat
Made Up English Oceans

Like the songs...the takes/playing/tape hiss(NL & FAOA)..not so much;
Shit Shots Count
Pauline Hawkins
Hearing Jimmy Loud
Natural Light
First Air Of Autumn

And I like these just OK;
When He's Gone
Hangin' On
'Til He's Dead Or Rises
Part Of Him

...at the moment

Posted: **Sat May 03, 2014 6:16 pm**

I've been playing this album incessantly for months and it never gets old. I'm not skipping a single song. Not a lot of my records fall in that category. Great writing, great playing across the board. I'm sure I'm projecting a little bit, but the intensity and positive energy with which this record was made jumps out of the speakers. This and AAW are at the top of my DBT play list.

Posted: **Sun May 04, 2014 6:54 pm**

I can't rank the songs either. Too soon. I can say without a doubt that SSC is my favorite and Hanging On is my least favorite. It just sounds too much like it should have been on Heat Lightning to me. I like Heat Lightning a lot and don't dislike Hanging On it just doesn't seem to fit.

And MUEO is a good song but I like it a lot better live than on the record.

Posted: **Mon May 05, 2014 1:46 pm**

Cole Younger wrote:I can't rank the songs either. Too soon. I can say without a doubt that SSC is my favorite and Hanging On is my least favorite. It just sounds too much like it should have been on Heat Lightning to me. I like Heat Lightning a lot and don't dislike Hanging On it just doesn't seem to fit.

And MUEO is a good song but I like it a lot better live than on the record.

So in other words you're saying...

Shit Shots Count

English Oceans

Hanging On

Posted: **Mon May 05, 2014 9:42 pm**

Duke Silver wrote:
Cole Younger wrote:I can't rank the songs either. Too soon. I can say without a doubt that SSC is my favorite and Hanging On is my least favorite. It just sounds too much like it should have been on Heat Lightning to me. I like Heat Lightning a lot and don't dislike Hanging On it just doesn't seem to fit.

And MUEO is a good song but I like it a lot better live than on the record.

So in other words you're saying...

Shit Shots Count

English Oceans

Hanging On

Not quite. Lots of other songs there that fall into various places I guess. The only thing I know is SSC is my favorite and Hanging On is my least favorite.

Posted: **Fri May 09, 2014 8:30 am**

Driving down to Georgia Southern University today for my youngest daughter's college graduation---staring through my own tail lights and gathering speed the whole way. Gulp.

Posted: **Fri May 09, 2014 10:07 am**

Markalanbishop wrote:Driving down to Georgia Southern University today for my youngest daughter's college graduation---staring through my own tail lights and gathering speed the whole way. Gulp.

Bittersweet i know, but congratulations and enjoy!

PS Your banker called to congratulate you too

Posted: **Sat May 10, 2014 2:55 am**

new meat for the song of the week threads. can somebody get that machine going, please?

bat signal or something?

Posted: **Sat May 10, 2014 2:26 pm**

dime in the gutter wrote:new meat for the song of the week threads. can somebody get that machine going, please?

bat signal or something?

I've been wondering about this too.

Posted: **Sun May 11, 2014 6:45 am**

I don't know if there are rules to these it if someone can just jump in and start one

Posted: **Sun May 11, 2014 8:04 am**

Zip City wrote:I don't know if there are rules to these it if someone can just jump in and start one

Yes - you need to submit multiple applications and appply for permits too. Lots of red tape. You can't just start up a thread.

Posted: **Sun May 11, 2014 8:34 am**

And the fees, omg the fees. Outrageous, simply outrageous. You know who to blame.... :lol:

Just get the fuckers going, we've got 16 tracks between EO and Dragon Pants.

Posted: **Sun May 11, 2014 10:54 am**

Posted: **Sun May 11, 2014 8:51 pm**

Last year Isbell had a career defining album with Southeastern. The momentum from that album hasn't stopped as he sold out three shows next fall at The Ryman. This year DBT put out English Oceans. Eight weeks into its release, it has garnered great reviews and the consensus among the diehard fans -- many who have had the album since January -- seems to be that it is a top shelf Truckers album.

So, how would everyone here compare the two albums? I think Cooley has as many great songs on EO as Isbell has on SE. As a songwriter Patterson seems to be mining lots of the same territory -- marriage and the importance of relationships -- but his songs are pretty dark here.

Posted: **Sun May 11, 2014 9:11 pm**

I don't think it's really fair to compare the two, though for some, I guess it's inevitable and to those folks, maybe even necessary. For one, they're both two very different records. The potential convergence of themes aside, one is a singer/songwriter album and the other is a group effort.

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