English Oceans Discussion Thread

[beantownbubba]

the generally terrific music

Are you sure you're talking about the right album?

[Kudzu Guillotine]

Nothing like trashing the new record before you hear it!

I've seen folks trash records just based on artwork alone without having heard a single note of the music.

I remember a time when the DBT's would be playing nearly an entire album in concert for months prior to it's release. While the tunes may not have resembled their studio counterparts it was still a good indication of what to expect.

So, you were on the Springsteen board when Workin' on a Dream came out. Four months before the album came out, people saw the artwork, proclaimed WOAD "shit," and then refused to let the generally terrific music dissuade them when it actually came out.

Not I. Never been much of a Springsteen fan. Difficult as it may be to do sometimes, I do my best to hold to the "don't judge a book by it's cover" perspective though.

[Clams]

I've seen folks trash records just based on artwork alone without having heard a single note of the music.

But unfortunately that artwork was a harbinger of what was to come.

What album cover are you referring to?

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And I hate to break it to you Kev, but those folks on the Springsteen board were right about Working on a Dream, too.

Hey, maybe you actually can predict how good a record will be by the cover...

[Kevidently]

Clams, you are wrong wrong wrong! The title track is pretty awful, but there is some just amazing stuff on there. It's Springsteen experimenting with 60s pop and 70s album rock and doing it well. I love that record.

[Clams]

Clams, you are wrong wrong wrong! The title track is pretty awful, but there is some just amazing stuff on there. It's Springsteen experimenting with 60s pop and 70s album rock and doing it well. I love that record.

Isn't that the one with queen of the supermarket and cowboy pete?

[Kevidently]

Clams, you are wrong wrong wrong! The title track is pretty awful, but there is some just amazing stuff on there. It's Springsteen experimenting with 60s pop and 70s album rock and doing it well. I love that record.

Isn't that the one with queen of the supermarket and cowboy pete?

Yes, and I happen to like them both. Not necessarily his top-notch stuff, but "Outlaw Pete" is hilarious and steeped in the myth-making he was interpreting on the Seeger Sessions, and "Queen" is a perfect Beach Boys type song that we haven't heard in forever. Corny? Sure. But fun!

[beantownbubba]

Say it ain't so, Kev, say it ain't so

[Tequila Cowboy]

Focus people, focus. New album, object of your obsession...ring any bells? Maybe we could start working on a star rating for the record before anyone's heard it?

[Smitty]

I'd merge this & the new album thread.

So far we got:
Pauline Hawkins
Grand Canyon
Shit Shots Count
Til He's Dead or Gone
When He's Gone
English Oceans


Any more? I think I heard Jimmy Page won't be on the proper record. B-side or bonus track or something.

[RolanK]

Well. Apparengly there is Punk... and Punk.

[Flea]

Nothing like trashing the new record before you hear it!

I've seen folks trash records just based on artwork alone without having heard a single note of the music.

I remember a time when the DBT's would be playing nearly an entire album in concert for months prior to it's release. While the tunes may not have resembled their studio counterparts it was still a good indication of what to expect.

So, you were on the Springsteen board when Workin' on a Dream came out. Four months before the album came out, people saw the artwork, proclaimed WOAD "shit," and then refused to let the generally terrific music dissuade them when it actually came out.

You HAVE listened to WOAD, right? Because it's about 76.9% shit.

[Flea]

I've seen folks trash records just based on artwork alone without having heard a single note of the music.

I remember a time when the DBT's would be playing nearly an entire album in concert for months prior to it's release. While the tunes may not have resembled their studio counterparts it was still a good indication of what to expect.

So, you were on the Springsteen board when Workin' on a Dream came out. Four months before the album came out, people saw the artwork, proclaimed WOAD "shit," and then refused to let the generally terrific music dissuade them when it actually came out.

You HAVE listened to WOAD, right? Because it's about 76.9% shit.

Looks like I'm late to the bashing party!

[Cole Younger]

Ok I'll just ask. How have people already heard this record?

[Clams]

Ok I'll just ask. How have people already heard this record?

Nobody has, at least not to my knowledge. But a bunch of the songs have been played live and there's lots of recordings over on Archive.

[Cole Younger]

Ok I'll just ask. How have people already heard this record?

Nobody has, at least not to my knowledge. But a bunch of the songs have been played live and there's lots of recordings over on Archive.

10 4. Rev Matt just said that everybody he knew that had heard it was excited about it.

[Zip City]

Ok I'll just ask. How have people already heard this record?

Nobody has, at least not to my knowledge. But a bunch of the songs have been played live and there's lots of recordings over on Archive.

10 4. Rev Matt just said that everybody he knew that had heard it was excited about it.

People like Jenn, etc. I'm guessing, though I'd wager half of this board will have a copy by New Year's Day

[beantownbubba]

Smitty (or anybody), can you expand on your explanation of "shit shots count?" I understand that it has something to do w/ the game of pool but I still don't know what. I even proved my lack of searching skills because I tried looking it up and failed. Thanks.

[John A Arkansawyer]

Smitty (or anybody), can you expand on your explanation of "shit shots count?" I understand that it has something to do w/ the game of pool but I still don't know what.

Not that I was ever a big pool player--my dad, now--but when I did play, a shit shot was one that went in by luck. If you aren't playing where you call your shots, then shit shots count.

[Smitty]

Smitty (or anybody), can you expand on your explanation of "shit shots count?" I understand that it has something to do w/ the game of pool but I still don't know what.

Not that I was ever a big pool player--my dad, now--but when I did play, a shit shot was one that went in by luck. If you aren't playing where you call your shots, then shit shots count.

Yep, if you shoot a ball in and don't call the shot - down to exactly how it's going to go, how many rails it'll hit, what balls it plays off of, etc - it's a shit shot.

[John A Arkansawyer]

Smitty (or anybody), can you expand on your explanation of "shit shots count?" I understand that it has something to do w/ the game of pool but I still don't know what.

Not that I was ever a big pool player--my dad, now--but when I did play, a shit shot was one that went in by luck. If you aren't playing where you call your shots, then shit shots count.

Yep, if you shoot a ball in and don't call the shot - down to exactly how it's going to go, how many rails it'll hit, what balls it plays off of, etc - it's a shit shot.

There are few things in this world quite so satisfying as calling a complicated shot you have absolutely no chance of making and then making it anyway.

[Iowan]

Smitty (or anybody), can you expand on your explanation of "shit shots count?" I understand that it has something to do w/ the game of pool but I still don't know what.

Not that I was ever a big pool player--my dad, now--but when I did play, a shit shot was one that went in by luck. If you aren't playing where you call your shots, then shit shots count.

Yep, if you shoot a ball in and don't call the shot - down to exactly how it's going to go, how many rails it'll hit, what balls it plays off of, etc - it's a shit shot.

Around here that's called "slop".

[Lurleen McQueen]

If shit shots didn't count, I would never have won a game of pool in my life. I only make shit shots.

[rlipps]

Not that I was ever a big pool player--my dad, now--but when I did play, a shit shot was one that went in by luck. If you aren't playing where you call your shots, then shit shots count.

Yep, if you shoot a ball in and don't call the shot - down to exactly how it's going to go, how many rails it'll hit, what balls it plays off of, etc - it's a shit shot.

Around here that's called "slop".

Slop was always the preferred choice of words around here too. Used to hang out in a local pool room all the time when I was in high school, some of the most fun I ever had.

[Smitty]

While it's mainly called a "shit shot" around here, I've heard it called "slop", "bullshit" and even a racial epithet shot, depending on where you're at.
As far as regions where different games constitute different rules per calling shots, it has a lot to do with where the APA is the strongest which seems to be the Northeast. APA rules dictate that while playing eight-ball, no shot has to be called except for the 8. Since the APA is not as popular in the SE as it is the NE, mostly down here bar rules call for no called shots in 9 ball while they do in 8. I still believe despite "shit shots" counting, 9-ball is still a more skilled game than 8-ball; while you may have to call every shot in 8, you still have 7 balls to choose from (in the beginning); in 9, regardless if you luck a ball in, since you only have one ball to shoot in succession, english/shape/position plays a stronger role.

[Kudzu Guillotine]

Around here, I've always heard "shit shots" referred to as "piss ins". Make of that what you will.

[tinnitus photography]

There's nothing English about DBT

Well, except for "Girls Who Smoke."

"Birds With Fags"

[Markalanbishop]

Around here, I've always heard "shit shots" referred to as "piss ins". Make of that what you will.

I've heard "shithouse luck." Don't have any idea what that means. My uncle from middle of nowhere Kentucky used the term "slop"

[Kevidently]

There's nothing English about DBT

Well, except for "Girls Who Smoke."

"Birds With Fags"

No, that's what happens when I go to the park with breadcrumbs.

[LBRod]

[Crustyharp]

1. Shit Shots Count
2. When He''s Gone
3. Primer Coat
4. Pauline Hawkins
5. Made Up English Oceans
6. The Part Of Him
7. Hearing Jimmy Loud
8. Til He's Dead Or Rises
9. Hanging On
10. Natural Light
11. When Walter Went Crazy
12. First Air Of Autumn
13. Grand Canyon