RevMatt wrote: I closed my eyes and pictured both the Cooley Bird and the Hood Owl flying above the grand canyon, their calls echoing off the walls like an electric guitar feeding back through a Fender Twin.
Whoa... psychedelic, Rev. Can I have some of the stuff you're smoking?
The Hood Owl flies and The Cooley Bird soars.
I have nowhere else to go. There is no demand in the priesthood for elderly drug addicts
I'm having a hard time getting my mind around how good EO is. I'm floored. I was confident that it would be good but I wasn't ready for this.
I don't want to say too much because Im not familiar enough yet and like somebody else said, I don't feel comfortable discussing it in detail before it has been released and everybody has been able to listen.
I would hope that everybody here would automatically buy the record even if they already have access. I know I will.
A few things though. I want to echo the sentiment that the album opener and closer are perfectly placed. The entire sequencing is brilliant.
This is really early but right now Shit Shots Count is the catchiest thing on the record. Love everything about it. But early on the song that packs the most emotional wallop to me is When Walter Went Crazy. I found myself humming Shit Shots Count all day at work today but the song that I can't seem to shake off is Walter. I had something of an emotional hangover from it this morning. I don't normally speak in such dramatic terms but its true. I haven't had that kind reaction to a song since hearing Elephant for the first time. It snuck up on me too because I saw the title and was expecting some Patterson style humor. Nothing funny about it to me.
"With Matlock on the TV and her moma on the phone." That got me for some reason. It just seemed too dang familiar.
Cole Younger wrote:"With Matlock on the TV and her moma on the phone." That got me for some reason. It just seemed too dang familiar.
I think one of Patterson's strengths as a songwriter is how he uses pop culture or everyday object references to absolutely nail an image w/ far more weight and resonance than a mere couple of words ought to be able to carry. This is a perfect example.
What used to be is gone and what ought to be ought not to be so hard
If you open up the Go-Go Boots album cover you'll see some bodies floating in the water. The water is very similar to the new album artwork, if it is indeed the new album artwork. Some of the bodies even have similar hair; parts, etc. Thought this was interesting...
Cole Younger wrote:"With Matlock on the TV and her moma on the phone." That got me for some reason. It just seemed too dang familiar.
I think one of Patterson's strengths as a songwriter is how he uses pop culture or everyday object references to absolutely nail an image w/ far more weight and resonance than a mere couple of words ought to be able to carry. This is a perfect example.
Word!
In some weird juxtaposition, having Cooley write and sing half the album really allows Patterson to shine. On many DBT albums the Cooley songs are like the chocolate covered cherries in the candy box that you save for last. But on this album Patterson gets to have this role for a change.
I am thinking that the months Patterson, Jay and Brad spent touring together really paid off here.
I have nowhere else to go. There is no demand in the priesthood for elderly drug addicts
Cole Younger wrote:This is really early but right now Shit Shots Count is the catchiest thing on the record. Love everything about it. But early on the song that packs the most emotional wallop to me is When Walter Went Crazy. I found myself humming Shit Shots Count all day at work today but the song that I can't seem to shake off is Walter. I had something of an emotional hangover from it this morning. I don't normally speak in such dramatic terms but its true. I haven't had that kind reaction to a song since hearing Elephant for the first time. It snuck up on me too because I saw the title and was expecting some Patterson style humor. Nothing funny about it to me.
"With Matlock on the TV and her moma on the phone." That got me for some reason. It just seemed too dang familiar.
I agree 100%. Patterson mentioned that the song was inspired by a good friends' divorce; one of those where you're close to both parties.
Cole Younger wrote:This is really early but right now Shit Shots Count is the catchiest thing on the record. Love everything about it. But early on the song that packs the most emotional wallop to me is When Walter Went Crazy. I found myself humming Shit Shots Count all day at work today but the song that I can't seem to shake off is Walter. I had something of an emotional hangover from it this morning. I don't normally speak in such dramatic terms but its true. I haven't had that kind reaction to a song since hearing Elephant for the first time. It snuck up on me too because I saw the title and was expecting some Patterson style humor. Nothing funny about it to me.
"With Matlock on the TV and her moma on the phone." That got me for some reason. It just seemed too dang familiar.
I agree 100%. Patterson mentioned that the song was inspired by a good friends' divorce; one of those where you're close to both parties.
It sure reminded me of mine. Minus the homicide and proclivity for such of course. But the rest of it hit all too close to home.
cortez the killer wrote:I get the suggestion part. I think if you read between the lines you can find a suggestion in my response as well.
Prior to the leak it was still the "English Oceans Discussion Thread" but it didn't really have any detailed info about the album than a glimpse at the artwork and the tracklist. Now that it includes detailed info about individual songs, some folks that aren't aware that it's leaked might appreciate knowing ahead of time that the thread contains spoilers.
Perhaps some of the well-respected posters can chime in on this matter. Oilpiers has the list.
You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts.
- DPM
If that hasn't been posted here yet, Cooley plays a English Oceans and First Day of Autumn solo on that recording. I love First Day of Autumn. Great imagery in that one.
A few thoughts about this record. Have only listened all the way through three times though, so these thoughts are initial impressions at best: --Yeah this is a Cooley record. That being said, "Walter Went Crazy," "Grand Canyon" and "Part of Him" are some of the best songs Hood's written in awhile. --I definitely don't feel comfortable comparing this to their other records yet, but I feel pretty safe in saying that "Grand Canyon" is my favorite album-ender since "Goddamn Lonely Love." What a song, wow. --Wish there were horns on more than one song!!!!! --Love Matt's bass work on the record --Right now I'd say "Hanging On" is my least favorite and I can't pick a favorite but "Grand Canyon," "Primer Coat," "Part of Him," and "Pauline Hawkins" are all in the running.
I was thinking today that Natural Light would have sounded right at home on the 1971 Leon Russell and the Shelter People album. So I'm googling that album and discover that David Hood played on it! Unbelievable.
Can anyone help me out with a pm? All this talk about being up there with the great albums is driving me crazy! As usual I will be buying plenty of copies on release day!
I've only had a chance to listen to this twice, and once was while I was running 5 miles so I couldn't really concentrate. With that being said the thing that's stuck out for me so far is the sound of the record, the mix, the space etc. It's not as dense as the last few....I like it.
After 2 listens Shit Shots Count is my favorite song on the album, but that's almost guaranteed to change as I get more into it. There isn't a single skipper song on the album. We're driving to VA on Saturday to pick up my kids for Christmas so I'll have hours and hours to really dig into English Oceans....I also can't wait to get this on vinyl! I have a feeling this is going to smoke on my home rig.
Turn you demons into walls of goddamned noise and sound.
brett27295 wrote:I've only had a chance to listen to this twice, and once was while I was running 5 miles so I couldn't really concentrate. With that being said the thing that's stuck out for me so far is the sound of the record, the mix, the space etc. It's not as dense as the last few....I like it.
After 2 listens Shit Shots Count is my favorite song on the album, but that's almost guaranteed to change as I get more into it. There isn't a single skipper song on the album. We're driving to VA on Saturday to pick up my kids for Christmas so I'll have hours and hours to really dig into English Oceans....I also can't wait to get this on vinyl! I have a feeling this is going to smoke on my home rig.
Yeah, I'm about to head on the holiday road trip today and was really hoping to be able to hear it if anyone could help me out.
Kevidently wrote:Pretty sure it's "stream of tar," like, "slow as molasses in January."
Makes a helluva lot more sense, thanks!
No problem! I think there's going to be a lot of amusing mis-hears before we actually get the lyrics. I certainly wouldn't have gotten "boner-pill rides" on my own!
Kevidently wrote:Pretty sure it's "stream of tar," like, "slow as molasses in January."
Makes a helluva lot more sense, thanks!
No problem! I think there's going to be a lot of amusing mis-hears before we actually get the lyrics. I certainly wouldn't have gotten "boner-pill rides" on my own!
Aaaahhh, to be young
What used to be is gone and what ought to be ought not to be so hard
alright, last day before vacation. might as well do something productive while i'm at work.
First Air of Autumn
First air of autumn up your nose Popcorn, heavy hairspray, nylon pantyhose Please stand and bow your heads and pray you don't get old
The nurture and the admonition of your kind Rules of only strong survive Cross-shaped swimming pools, down in the blood and lifted up Forever seeking favor from the light
Schoolhouse hallway like a prairie highway sprawls The drop off spins away the sun The getting there just proves it's nothing but a ball Pray the horizon never comes
The hearts of the daughters of the men Won by the softness of the sons of women's hands To leave it up to love would leave it up to chance
Memory only shows the promise beauty brings Beauty ages in its time Light attracts the same, you glance away, the glory fades Being on your arm has lost its shine
Schoolhouse hallway like a prairie highway sprawls The drop off spins away the sun Like eyes that once could cut through candle power on autumn nights First air of autumn leaves me numb
One of the things that strikes me about most of these songs is how middle-aged the lyrics are. Lots of ruminating about marriages and kids, etc. DBT has touched on these subjects before, but this batch seems more concentrated, at least to me.
Some other stuff I hear (not including the obvious Stones in Cooley's rockers): -- I hear Never Gonna Change in the opening 30 seconds of When He's Gone -- I hear the melody of Springsteen's Dancing in the Dark in Til He's Dead or Rises (seriously!) -- I hear something in the background of Grand Canyon that reminds me of Led Zep's Kashmir
Also: Even though I'm a much bigger fan of guitars than keyboards, I really love how Jay's keyboards sound on this record. But I do miss the pedal steel.
I have no idea how English Oceans fits into the overall ranking of DBT records or saying "it's their best album since ____" or whatever, all I know is that after three long years it's fucking great to have a new batch of DBT songs to get into. And a big HELL YEAH to Cooley for getting over that case of writer's block.
Clams wrote:-- I hear something in the background of Grand Canyon that reminds me of Led Zep's Kashmir
Do you mean something musical or like a weird, tape-delay noise? I was laying in bed listening to this the other night and thought for a second I was hearing voices. There's a weird buzzing/backward talking thing that's most noticeable starting right before the noise jam at the end.
Clams wrote:-- I hear something in the background of Grand Canyon that reminds me of Led Zep's Kashmir
Do you mean something musical or like a weird, tape-delay noise? I was laying in bed listening to this the other night and thought for a second I was hearing voices. There's a weird buzzing/backward talking thing that's most noticeable starting right before the noise jam at the end.
Um no, I meant something musical, not voices. Just wondering... were you seeing soaring owls and flying cooleybirds when you heard those voices?
Clams wrote:-- I hear something in the background of Grand Canyon that reminds me of Led Zep's Kashmir
Do you mean something musical or like a weird, tape-delay noise? I was laying in bed listening to this the other night and thought for a second I was hearing voices. There's a weird buzzing/backward talking thing that's most noticeable starting right before the noise jam at the end.
Um no, I meant something musical, not voices. Just wondering... were you seeing soaring owls and flying cooleybirds when you heard those voices?
Are you suggesting that he's been sharing with RevMatt?
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Clams wrote:-- I hear something in the background of Grand Canyon that reminds me of Led Zep's Kashmir
Do you mean something musical or like a weird, tape-delay noise? I was laying in bed listening to this the other night and thought for a second I was hearing voices. There's a weird buzzing/backward talking thing that's most noticeable starting right before the noise jam at the end.
There is something there. Hope to hear it better on the vinyl. The jams have gotten psychedelic at times the last few months and I can see this coda being killer live
And here's another thought, on the Hood vs Cooley songs, someone said earlier that this is "Cooley's album" or something along those lines...
If you think of the record in guitar terms, Cooley's songs are like the lead guitar - they stand out, they sound totally cool and you automatically notice them - and Patterson's songs are like the rhythm guitar - they never falter, never let you down, they are the glue that holds everything together.
I also like how the record mostly switch back and forth between the Hood and Cooley songs just like at the rock show.
Clams wrote:-- I hear something in the background of Grand Canyon that reminds me of Led Zep's Kashmir
Do you mean something musical or like a weird, tape-delay noise? I was laying in bed listening to this the other night and thought for a second I was hearing voices. There's a weird buzzing/backward talking thing that's most noticeable starting right before the noise jam at the end.
There is something there. Hope to hear it better on the vinyl. The jams have gotten psychedelic at times the last few months and I can see this coda being killer live
